Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com! newsrout1.ntli.net!news.ntli.net!kibo.news.demon.net! news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail From: FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: The SCOG rollercoaster ride,,, Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:56:05 +0000 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <87c1609phaoi6ir0ad45qg5kjlapb6e6eq@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tiktok.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1080078965 6438 62.49.19.48 (23 Mar 2004 21:56:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: ab...@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:56:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:4689 http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=3m&l=off&z=m&q=l&c= Again SCOG raise the bar with a very impressive 7% drop in their share price. What amuses me are the headlines on the main page for SCOX (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SCOX). SCOG have desperately tried to paint this utter collapse as great news for investors. For example, the headline: " [external] SCO Group Likes Its Stock at These Levels". That was back when the share price was just under double figures. If it was true at that time, they must absolutely f*cking /love/ the current price! ;-) Still, at least good old Darl had a nice fat pay rise this year. I bet the two or three techies left are really glad about that ;-) -- FyRE < "War: The way Americans learn geography" >
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com! border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no! shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.85.88.130 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: Re: The SCOG rollercoaster ride,,, Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com References: <87c1609phaoi6ir0ad45qg5kjlapb6e6eq@4ax.com> Lines: 36 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <tC68c.139678$Up2.106352@pd7tw1no> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 02:44:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1080096281 24.71.223.147 (Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:44:41 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:44:41 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:4700 FyRE wrote: > http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=3m&l=off&z=m&q=l&c= > Again SCOG raise the bar with a very impressive 7% drop in their share > price. Speaking of stocks, RedHat enjoyed a $1.08 or 5.9% price increase today. http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=RHAT&d=c&t=1d&l=on&z=b&q=l Lets review; Since the truth has come out about SCO's ABI copyright claims 'Bwahahahaha', SCO has been on a steady decline, like their earned revenue, market share and credibility. Now compare to RedHat, which works for it's money by providing software sets and services, whose hare prices rise dramatically on word of their subscriptions sales outperforming the street. SCO - Sux to be you. RedHat - Dancing in the street. One more time. SCO - Sux RedHat - Dancing Only an amazingly STUPID person (are you listening Tony) holds out hope for SCO's survival. (Yes it could happen but it ain't gonna happen you moron) 8^) Brian Linux Mystic open sorcerer
Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail From: jlsels...@my-deja.com (J. L. Schilling) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: The SCOG rollercoaster ride,,, Date: 24 Mar 2004 05:35:20 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <ff3c0649.0403240535.240fb4e6@posting.google.com> References: <87c1609phaoi6ir0ad45qg5kjlapb6e6eq@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.124.204.226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1080135321 2741 127.0.0.1 (24 Mar 2004 13:35:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups...@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:4706 FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> wrote in message news: <87c1609phaoi6ir0a...@4ax.com>... > http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=3m&l=off&z=m&q=l&c= > [...] As long as you're playing stock chart art, try this one for VA Linux: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=LNUX&t=5y&l=off&z=m&q=l&c= Pretty impressive, eh? Red Hat's a bit better at http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=RHAT&t=5y&l=off&z=m&q=l&c= but somebody sure took a bath along the way. Jonathan Schilling
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com! border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca! pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.85.88.130 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: Re: The SCOG rollercoaster ride,,, Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com References: <87c1609phaoi6ir0ad45qg5kjlapb6e6eq@4ax.com> <ff3c0649.0403240535.240fb4e6@posting.google.com> Lines: 33 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <qDh8c.900124$X%5.895967@pd7tw2no> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:16:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1080141398 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:16:38 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:16:38 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:4707 J. L. Schilling wrote: <clipped for brevity> > but somebody sure took a bath along the way. Ah yes.. The Dot Com Bust! You are right John, that was Linux's fault. What don't you ask yourself what will happen to Linux if RedHat and VALinux both go broke? Absolutely nothing! Now, ask yourself what happens when SCO disappears and all it's alledged IP rights are tied up in court for the next five years? What was that? Oh yes, you would be totally out of luck and product, wouldn't you. Whenever an open source company tanks, all the work remains to be taken up by another group or absorbed by another project. That is not the case for closed source companies that tank, is it? Now if you want to debate realities rather than perceptions, I will have a go. However, if you wish to just construct these straw man arguments, I will just have to treat you like just another bitter moron. Just so you know, RedHat, VA Linux and Novell are all enjoying a Renaissance, in sharp contrast to SCO which is sliding into the abyss of sub dollar valuations. Brian
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com! border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no! shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.85.88.130 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: Re: The SCOG rollercoaster ride,,, Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com References: <200403241641.i2OGfrsi021233@osr506.nanniandjack.com> Lines: 132 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <14k8c.900538$X%5.447468@pd7tw2no> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:03:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1080151421 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:03:41 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:03:41 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:4712 Jack Hill, Just readin the News wrote: > br...@stanley-park.com blathered on Wed Mar 24 2004 : >> J. L. Schilling wrote: >> <clipped for brevity> >> > but somebody sure took a bath along the way. >> Ah yes.. The Dot Com Bust! You are right John, that was Linux's fault. >> What don't you ask yourself what will happen to Linux if RedHat and >> VALinux both go broke? >> Absolutely nothing! > And you call US idiots, morons, and blind followers??? Sheesh! Good argument... 'Sheesh!' >> Now, ask yourself what happens when SCO disappears and all it's alledged >> IP rights are tied up in court for the next five years? >> What was that? Oh yes, you would be totally out of luck and product, >> wouldn't you. > What you and the rest of the zealots for Linux (ZFL) don't seem to grasp I see, I am a Linux Zealot because I don't share your obsession with a dead OS. I must be wrong because I am not you! > is that the CUSTOMERS who currently use SCO operating software are NOT SCO adoption doesn't even qualify as noise in the chart of server platforms. > going to just tank their investment and run for the exits... Many are > running SCO OS from 5, 10, and even 15 years ago... The OS works for > them, and they will *NOT* change their business around just because you > bleat and spout your bilge. Ah yes, the 'bleat your bilge' argument I'm convinced! > I don't think any of us are in favor of what SCO is doing, but we are > supposedly intelligent people who recognize that no matter what you think > or spout, it ain't over, til it's over and the COURT makes it's decision. You see, that is where we ARE different! I know SCO will not live long enough to go to court with IBM let alone any other defendants. The fact that you don't know that means you are the one that is 'blathering'! > Up until the judge and jury rule, ANYTHING can happen, including many > things neither you nor any of us want to see happen. Ah yes, the 'Divine Intervention' or the 'Chaos rules over logic' argument. The final argument of the total loser! The 'wishful thinking' defense! A meteor might fall and destroy IBM's entire legal team and SCO wins. Well guess what Jack, it ain't gonna happen! All your fuming and blustering to the contrary! > Canadians, among whom you seem to count yourself, are usually far more > intelligent and worldly, but I guess with Linux Blinders [tm] on, you have > only the vision dancing in your head, while we realize that whatever > happens Yes, I do believe Canadians are more informed and discerning, when it comes to current events, than the majority of our US cousins. > there are customers who will need help, be it keeping their old > systems running or converting to some other OS. For us to abandon these > businesses would be unconscionable... Who asked you to abandon them? That would be you putting some 'blathering' into my mouth. > to try to force them to change would be equally wrong. Do you really believe that? Are you going to wait until the last moment before you inform your SCO clients that the company that supports their OS is going to vapour lock in the near future? > We are not the mindless zealots for SCO that you want to portray us as. We I don't know about others in this NG but you do seem to fit the 'zealot' moniker rather well. > are just simple businessmen and technicians who are trying to do right by > our customers. Ah shucks, that's just great. Just good ol' boys minding yer own business. >> will just have to treat you like just another bitter moron. > A "bitter moron" like you, perhaps? That is just so clever... You really do excel at NG repartee. >> Just so you know, RedHat, VA Linux and Novell are all enjoying a >> Renaissance, in sharp contrast to SCO which is sliding into the abyss of >> sub dollar valuations. > Correctly stated, but totally irrelevant to the people currently running > SCO OS who have neither plans to change nor a business reason to. The message was in reply to Mr.Schilling's straw man attack on a couple open source companies. Didn't you get that? > Are you implying that these people are ALL idiots? No... not everyone. I thought I was pretty specific about that as well. Perhaps you should reread the thread. Quite frankly I don't care what any of you do as regards your SCO customers - it is too small a metric to worry about. The hope is that some hapless SCO client may wander into this NG and become a little educated about their choice of OS supplier. Even better, any future client may be warned off such a destructive course. That may be against your interests - too bad. Brian
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com! in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cyclone.bc.net!nntp.cs.ubc.ca! enigma.xenitec.on.ca!not-for-mail From: "Jack Hill, Just readin the News" <sco...@nanniandjack.com> Subject: Re: The SCOG rollercoaster ride,,, Resent-From: mm...@xenitec.on.ca Submit-To: sco...@xenitec.on.ca Organization: [resent by] The SCOMSC gateway and Propagation Society Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:41:53 GMT Message-ID: <200403241641.i2OGfrsi021233@osr506.nanniandjack.com> X-Mailer: SCO Shell To: sco...@xenitec.on.ca X-Nntp-Posting-Host: enigma.xenitec.on.ca Originator: ne...@enigma.xenitec.on.ca (News subsystem owner) Sender: ne...@enigma.xenitec.ca (News subsystem owner) Precedence: list Lines: 63 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:4709 br...@stanley-park.com blathered on Wed Mar 24 2004 : > J. L. Schilling wrote: > <clipped for brevity> > > but somebody sure took a bath along the way. > Ah yes.. The Dot Com Bust! You are right John, that was Linux's fault. > What don't you ask yourself what will happen to Linux if RedHat and VALinux > both go broke? > Absolutely nothing! And you call US idiots, morons, and blind followers??? Sheesh! > Now, ask yourself what happens when SCO disappears and all it's alledged IP > rights are tied up in court for the next five years? > What was that? Oh yes, you would be totally out of luck and product, > wouldn't you. What you and the rest of the zealots for Linux (ZFL) don't seem to grasp is that the CUSTOMERS who currently iuse SCO operating software are NOT going to just tank their investment and run for the exits... Many are running SCO OS from 5, 10, and even 15 years ago... The OS works for them, and they will *NOT* change their business around just because you bleat and spout your bilge. I don't think any of us are in favor of what SCO is doing, but we are supposedly intelligent people who recognize that no matter what you think or spout, it ain't over, til it's over and the COURT makes it's decision. Up until the judge and jury rule, ANYTHING can happen, including many things neither you nor any of us want to see happen. Canadians, among whom you seem to count yourself, are usually far more intelligent and worldly, but I guess with Linux Blinders [tm] on, you have only the vision dancing in your head, while we realize that whatever happens there are customers who will need help, be it keeping their old systems running or converting to some other OS. For us to abandon these businesses would be unconscionable... to try to force them to change would be equally wrong. We are not the mindless zealots for SCO that you want to portray us as. We are just simple businessmen and technicians who are trying to do right by our customers. > will just have to treat you like just another bitter moron. A "bitter moron" like you, perhaps? > Just so you know, RedHat, VA Linux and Novell are all enjoying a > Renaissance, in sharp contrast to SCO which is sliding into the abyss of > sub dollar valuations. Correctly stated, but totaqlly irrelevant to the people currently running SCO OS who have neither plans to change nor a business reason to. Are you implying that these people are ALL idiots? -- Jack Hill, Just readin' the news sco...@nanniandjack.com
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com! border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no! shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.85.88.130 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: Re: The SCOG rollercoaster ride,,, Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com References: <200403241641.i2OGfrsi021233@osr506.nanniandjack.com> Lines: 132 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <14k8c.900538$X%5.447468@pd7tw2no> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:03:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1080151421 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:03:41 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:03:41 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:4712 Jack Hill, Just readin the News wrote: > br...@stanley-park.com blathered on Wed Mar 24 2004 : >> J. L. Schilling wrote: >> <clipped for brevity> >> > but somebody sure took a bath along the way. >> Ah yes.. The Dot Com Bust! You are right John, that was Linux's fault. >> What don't you ask yourself what will happen to Linux if RedHat and >> VALinux both go broke? >> Absolutely nothing! > And you call US idiots, morons, and blind followers??? Sheesh! Good argument... 'Sheesh!' >> Now, ask yourself what happens when SCO disappears and all it's alledged >> IP rights are tied up in court for the next five years? >> What was that? Oh yes, you would be totally out of luck and product, >> wouldn't you. > What you and the rest of the zealots for Linux (ZFL) don't seem to grasp I see, I am a Linux Zealot because I don't share your obsession with a dead OS. I must be wrong because I am not you! > is that the CUSTOMERS who currently use SCO operating software are NOT SCO adoption doesn't even qualify as noise in the chart of server platforms. > going to just tank their investment and run for the exits... Many are > running SCO OS from 5, 10, and even 15 years ago... The OS works for > them, and they will *NOT* change their business around just because you > bleat and spout your bilge. Ah yes, the 'bleat your bilge' argument I'm convinced! > I don't think any of us are in favor of what SCO is doing, but we are > supposedly intelligent people who recognize that no matter what you think > or spout, it ain't over, til it's over and the COURT makes it's decision. You see, that is where we ARE different! I know SCO will not live long enough to go to court with IBM let alone any other defendants. The fact that you don't know that means you are the one that is 'blathering'! > Up until the judge and jury rule, ANYTHING can happen, including many > things neither you nor any of us want to see happen. Ah yes, the 'Divine Intervention' or the 'Chaos rules over logic' argument. The final argument of the total loser! The 'wishful thinking' defense! A meteor might fall and destroy IBM's entire legal team and SCO wins. Well guess what Jack, it ain't gonna happen! All your fuming and blustering to the contrary! > Canadians, among whom you seem to count yourself, are usually far more > intelligent and worldly, but I guess with Linux Blinders [tm] on, you have > only the vision dancing in your head, while we realize that whatever > happens Yes, I do believe Canadians are more informed and discerning, when it comes to current events, than the majority of our US cousins. > there are customers who will need help, be it keeping their old > systems running or converting to some other OS. For us to abandon these > businesses would be unconscionable... Who asked you to abandon them? That would be you putting some 'blathering' into my mouth. > to try to force them to change would be equally wrong. Do you really believe that? Are you going to wait until the last moment before you inform your SCO clients that the company that supports their OS is going to vapour lock in the near future? > We are not the mindless zealots for SCO that you want to portray us as. We I don't know about others in this NG but you do seem to fit the 'zealot' moniker rather well. > are just simple businessmen and technicians who are trying to do right by > our customers. Ah shucks, that's just great. Just good ol' boys minding yer own business. >> will just have to treat you like just another bitter moron. > A "bitter moron" like you, perhaps? That is just so clever... You really do excel at NG repartee. >> Just so you know, RedHat, VA Linux and Novell are all enjoying a >> Renaissance, in sharp contrast to SCO which is sliding into the abyss of >> sub dollar valuations. > Correctly stated, but totally irrelevant to the people currently running > SCO OS who have neither plans to change nor a business reason to. The message was in reply to Mr.Schilling's straw man attack on a couple open source companies. Didn't you get that? > Are you implying that these people are ALL idiots? No... not everyone. I thought I was pretty specific about that as well. Perhaps you should reread the thread. Quite frankly I don't care what any of you do as regards your SCO customers - it is too small a metric to worry about. The hope is that some hapless SCO client may wander into this NG and become a little educated about their choice of OS supplier. Even better, any future client may be warned off such a destructive course. That may be against your interests - too bad. Brian
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com! newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder2.hal-mli.net!feed5.newsreader.com! newsreader.com!news2.newsreader.com!crash.newsreader.com!not-for-mail From: Scott McMillan <sm...@usa.net> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: The SCOG rollercoaster ride,,, Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <7dp3601nhvftgttcf7kk8s5oku6k0bg41o@4ax.com> References: <200403241641.i2OGfrsi021233@osr506.nanniandjack.com> <14k8c.900538$X%5.447468@pd7tw2no> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: crash.newsreader.com bsc, 626-xs6,@-E9-s18N=DdoPFVfRtCP0XOI62huGE8fkkt Lines: 23 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:4716 On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:03:41 GMT, Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> wrote: >Jack Hill, Just readin the News wrote: >> br...@stanley-park.com blathered on Wed Mar 24 2004 : <snipped> >You see, that is where we ARE different! I know SCO will not live long >enough to go to court with IBM let alone any other defendants. The fact Incorrect. You don't *know* that to be the case. Call it whatever you like - Gut feeling, assumption, whim, whatever - but you *don't know* that will happen anymore than we do. That *is* a fact. <snipped> >Brian Scott McMillan
Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail From: jlsels...@my-deja.com (J. L. Schilling) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: The SCOG rollercoaster ride,,, Date: 24 Mar 2004 12:08:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 52 Message-ID: <ff3c0649.0403241208.3eddfa39@posting.google.com> References: <87c1609phaoi6ir0ad45qg5kjlapb6e6eq@4ax.com> <ff3c0649.0403240535.240fb4e6@posting.google.com> <qDh8c.900124$X%5.895967@pd7tw2no> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.124.204.226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1080158921 21908 127.0.0.1 (24 Mar 2004 20:08:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups...@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:4717 Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> wrote in message news:< qDh8c.900124$X%5.895967@pd7tw2no>... > J. L. Schilling wrote: > > <clipped for brevity> > > > but somebody sure took a bath along the way. > > Ah yes.. The Dot Com Bust! You are right John, that was Linux's fault. No, actually the Open Source/Linux Bust was separate from and pre-dated the Dot Com Bust by a bit. But yes, they were similar in nature. > What don't you ask yourself what will happen to Linux if RedHat and VALinux > both go broke? > > Absolutely nothing! You're right about VA Linux (now VA Software or something). But I disagree about RedHat ... it's very identified with Linux at this point, and if it went under it would cause a lot of corporate types to conclude (fairly or unfairly) that Linux is an iffy proposition. > Now, ask yourself what happens when SCO disappears and all it's alledged IP > rights are tied up in court for the next five years? > > What was that? Oh yes, you would be totally out of luck and product, > wouldn't you. No, as others have pointed out, when proprietary software companies fail, the shards are usually picked by somebody who's willing to do maintenance on it. Nevertheless, you are correct in general, the "what happens if the vendor goes under" issue is favorable to the open source approach. > Now if you want to debate realities rather than perceptions, I will have a > go. However, if you wish to just construct these straw man arguments, I > will just have to treat you like just another bitter moron. Stock market valuations are almost always about perceptions of one kind or another. And whether you agree with it or not, my post did not constitute a "straw man", since I wasn't arguing against a false portrayal of what anyone else was saying. > Just so you know, RedHat, VA Linux and Novell are all enjoying a > Renaissance, in sharp contrast to SCO which is sliding into the abyss of > sub dollar valuations. The reason I posted the five-year charts is that conclusions about the viability of different business approaches based on what's happening at any given moment are hazardous. As for RedHat, the IBM-Novell-SuSE-Ximian conglomeration definitely looks like a threat to it right now. Jonathan Schilling
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com! border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca! pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.85.88.130 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: Re: The SCOG rollercoaster ride,,, Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com References: <200403241641.i2OGfrsi021233@osr506.nanniandjack.com> <14k8c.900538$X%5.447468@pd7tw2no> <7dp3601nhvftgttcf7kk8s5oku6k0bg41o@4ax.com> Lines: 53 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <Ntp8c.901423$X%5.875360@pd7tw2no> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:12:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1080173549 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:12:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:12:29 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:4727 Scott McMillan wrote: > Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> wrote: >>You see, that is where we ARE different! I know SCO will not live long >>enough to go to court with IBM let alone any other defendants. The fact > Incorrect. Erm, do you mean 'incorrect' like when I predicted that SCO had absolutely no evidence of proprietary SysV code in Linux? And guess what Tony's response to that prediction turning out to be correct? More or less "..even morons can get lucky.." Will that be your complaint if what I say turns out to be correct? > You don't *know* that to be the case. Yes I do - I have over 12 years of personal experience in civil IP litigation. I also have almost 10 years of experience watching how Linux develops and evolves. > Call it whatever you like I can see how SCO is dragging it's feet at every turn in court after filing suit against IBM. I have read the court documents including the transcripts of SCO's appearances. I know there are layers of reasons why their ABI files claims will never get to first base. I also know SCO's IP claims against IBM's contributions to Linux will fail even a trivial examination under copyright statute and caselaw. I also know that *NOBODY* would conduct a lawsuit in the public eye the way SCO has if it was serious about winning at court. > Gut feeling, assumption, whim, whatever - but you *don't > know* that will happen anymore than we do. I also know you are arguing semantics in place of producing real counterpoints. In conclusion, you don't known Jack! BURP! (Brian looks around...) NEXT! Brian
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com! border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca! pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.85.88.130 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: Re: The SCOG rollercoaster ride,,, Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com References: <87c1609phaoi6ir0ad45qg5kjlapb6e6eq@4ax.com> <ff3c0649.0403240535.240fb4e6@posting.google.com> <qDh8c.900124$X%5.895967@pd7tw2no> <ff3c0649.0403241208.3eddfa39@posting.google.com> Lines: 93 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <56q8c.144993$Up2.111847@pd7tw1no> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:55:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.71.223.147 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1080176129 24.71.223.147 (Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:55:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:55:29 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:4730 J. L. Schilling wrote: > Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> wrote... >> > but somebody sure took a bath along the way. >> Ah yes.. The Dot Com Bust! You are right John, that was Linux's fault. > No, actually the Open Source/Linux Bust was separate from and pre-dated > the Dot Com Bust by a bit. But yes, they were similar in nature. Yes, actually, it was the same event. >> What don't you ask yourself what will happen to Linux if RedHat and >> VALinux both go broke? >> Absolutely nothing! > You're right about VA Linux (now VA Software or something). But I > disagree about RedHat ... it's very identified with Linux at this point, > and if it went under it would cause a lot of corporate types to conclude > (fairly or unfairly) that Linux is an iffy proposition. It would have absolutely NO EFFECT on the development and support of Linux. How many prop-IP companies have disappeared taking all their technology to the grave leaving customers and clients high and dry - that is the question. Nice dodge but No Cigar Jack. >> What was that? Oh yes, you would be totally out of luck and product, >> wouldn't you. > ...when proprietary software companies fail, the shards are usually > picked by somebody who's willing to do maintenance on it. Now THAT is wishful thinking and not founded in fact. > Nevertheless, you are correct in general, the "what happens if the > vendor goes under" issue is favorable to the open source approach. I have also watched the SCO's legal/financial machinations as best I can and I know the company will be overwhelmed with insider/shareholder lawsuits when the end comes. Nobody will be able to leave SCO corporate headquarters with so much as a stick pen without it being scrutinized for years by numerous courts of authority, not to mention the SEC. >> Now if you want to debate realities rather than perceptions, I will have >> a go. However, if you wish to just construct these straw man arguments, I >> will just have to treat you like just another bitter moron. > Stock market valuations are almost always about perceptions of one kind > or another. And whether you agree with it or not, my post did not > constitute a "straw man", since I wasn't arguing against a false portrayal > of what anyone else was saying. Sorry Dude - total Straw Man. You introduced data that was and is totally unrelated to the steady drum beat decline of SCO valuation. SCO lives and dies by it's market value because it has no long term sustainable income. It took a year for Darl McBride to finally fess up and admit that there is no proprietary SysV code in the Linux kernel and he only did it by proxy in SCO's IBM court filings. >> Just so you know, RedHat, VA Linux and Novell are all enjoying a >> Renaissance, in sharp contrast to SCO which is sliding into the abyss of >> sub dollar valuations. > The reason I posted the five-year charts is that conclusions about the > viability of different business approaches based on what's happening at > any given moment are hazardous. Bullshit - you were trying to make a cheap point based on an incorrect alignment of facts. Total Straw Man, Jack! > As for RedHat, the IBM-Novell-SuSE-Ximian conglomeration definitely looks > like a threat to it right now. I use a customized Slackware Current for my client servers and KDE desktops. Rock solid, very 'Unix like' layout and configuration. What many of you SCO types don't seems to understand is that the Linux community doesn't actually NEED the distro companies. We are more than capable of rolling our own installations. I don't need no stinkin' RedHat. Brian