Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu! elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net! newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!890908c2!not-for-mail From: JamesDad <mewnewsA...@mailandnews.com> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Brian, I'm Just Curious... Message-ID: <fr35rvg39n9vp3vokc1j24aljpsptvmucr@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 54 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:24:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.34.79.201 X-Complaints-To: ab...@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1068668668 69.34.79.201 (Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:24:28 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:24:28 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:1574 Brian, I'm new to this group. I primarily subscribed so that I could have another angle of information related to The SCO Group's shenanigans and have found some pieces of news that I haven't seen elsewhere. At present, I do not use any form of Unix or Unix-based software (though I've got longer-range plans to start using Linux). I do not own any SCO Group products or stock or anything else. I have no personal vested interest in the hoopla other than a desire to see Linux go forward and to see the truth win out. In terms of opinions on the issue, you and I are pretty close. I think the public information and impressions are mounting that the SCO Group has been blowing smoke all along and that there may not even BE a SCO Group to face IBM (or anybody else) by the time of the trial. The article posted 11/5, reporting that SCO is actively resisting the full disclosure requested by IBM as part of Discovery, seems to me to be the final straw. Even at the risk of being placed under court order (which could lead to a Contempt of Court judgment) and having their suit thrown out (and no telling what else), they're blowing smoke on the issue of coughing up the code right in the judge's face. If nothing else has made the point, this issue unquestionably makes the point to me that the SCO Group has no evidence to base a case on and yes, they're going to get clobbered if they continue to persist. What I'm curious about is this; what's YOUR beef? The statements I've seen from you in this group are ones seething with personal anger and passion, like you yourself have some stake in this matter. I don't have one, so while I'm rather torqued at the SCO Group's shenanigans, I don't take it as a personal issue and have no passion to rant and rave as I've seen from you in this group. Nor do I consider all users of SCO software, all computer consultants who support SCO software as part of their portfolio, all employees of SCO (most of which are just lummoxes like you and me just trying to do a job so they can support themselves and their families--some of the ones who are going to REALLY get hurt by all of this) and anyone who says a legitimate kind word about SCO (even with all the things happening, surely SOMEBODY there has to be doing SOMETHING right) to be my mortal enemy. My only beef is with the MANAGEMENT of the SCO Group, who have taken a company that was barely keeping its head above water and seem to be determined to go out with a bang and take as many people and companies as possible with them, creating havoc along the way. So what's the deal? What's your stake in this thing? How have the SCO Group's actions injured you personally? Why of all the issues in the world that call for our attention have you chosen this one to pour your anger and passion into, to the extent of venting personal abuse on others? Enquiring minds want to know! ======================================================================= I'm Mike--James' Dad, hence "JamesDad". I use this nym in memory of my son James Webb (1992-2000) who died fighting leukemia. He was a greater man at 8 than some ever become. May his life, battle and story never be forgotten! More info at <http://www.themiraclekids.com/mem-james.htm>.
Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu! newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sjc70.webusenet.com! news.webusenet.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750! not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.85.75.40 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: Re: Brian, I'm Just Curious... Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com References: <fr35rvg39n9vp3vokc1j24aljpsptvmucr@4ax.com> Lines: 98 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <eMFsb.380503$pl3.295071@pd7tw3no> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:45:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.69.255.206 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1068705930 24.69.255.206 (Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:45:30 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:45:30 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:1592 JamesDad wrote: <clipped for brevity> > So what's the deal? What's your stake in this thing? How have the SCO > Group's actions injured you personally? Why of all the issues in the > world that call for our attention have you chosen this one to pour > your anger and passion into, to the extent of venting personal abuse > on others? > Enquiring minds want to know! Ten months ago I had no strong opinions about Caldera/The SCO Group other than they were a Linux distributor who seemed to be having problems finding a niche. I have installed Linux network services in commercial environments since 1995 and for the last two years have begun installing and supporting Linux desktops. I attempt to be as responsible as I can in what I promise and what I can deliver - I have turned away business rather than do a job poorly. Any Linux supporter will tell you it is a constant battle to overcome the flood of FUD that originates from Redmond - if Linux wasn't ten times better than Windows we would have been kicked to the curb years ago. Now here comes The SCO Group that apparently has a contract dispute with IBM but goes on a public relations rampage against the open source movement - the very community from which it sprang and obtained it's funding. Was SCO trying to get acquired by IBM? No - IBM would never purchase a company that was purposely perpetrating a fraudulent claim. Was SCO seriously attempting to secure licensing fees from Linux users? No - every attempt to buy a Linux license has failed. Was SCO hoping to prevail in the IBM lawsuit? Not if their present conduct is any indicator. Right from the onset SCO refused to identify the Linux code that was in dispute. It is one thing to reveal your own code but it is quite another to refuse to identify the alledged infringement. It is unprecedented! Darl McBride, Chris Sontag and Blake Stowell have traveled the globe in a carefully planned and fully funded campaign of FUD directed at the heart of Linux! This was not the conduct of a company with a real IP problem, SCO's agenda was very clearly to destroy Linux, the GPL and open source. Credibility is everything when you are handling an organizations data and communication and there are few things that scares a CEO more than the prospect of litigation. I have a great deal of pride in and respect for the open source movement, the free software foundation and the Linux community. Now I find my personal profession and my community the subject of ridicule and disrespect as a consequence of SCO's deliberate and baseless attacks. I am pissed! I am pissed at the engineers that work at SCO who know that this is a fraud and yet hold their silence. I am pissed at the thick headed thinking that refuses to acknowledge facts in evidence that point to the truth of SCO's duplicity. I am pissed at the slow witted slack jawed stubborn support that still exists behind a facade of protest. Even today as the legal noose tightens The SCO Group is continuing to perpetuate this destructive attack. They continue to pose like injured victims with a legitimate legal claim in any venue that will have them - their worst crime is that they are plausible liars and continue to cause real damage. I am pissed and I feel compelled to share. I have emailed Darl, Chris and Blake but they have not replied. I have written to a number of misinformed journalists that are running with this story and they have not answered. I have even emailed many of SCO's partners and supporters sharing my concerns but have only received perfunctory acknowledgment. Now I am sharing with the only SCO community that still exists. So yes, I am seething with anger and I am not motivated in any way to be polite about it. What I do not do is interfere with legitimate traffic in this newsgroup or disparage technology advice. I may even have professional respect for some of the experts in this newsgroup however I feel about their personal integrity. That is my story James Dad - as a sidebar, I have a grown son named James. I still worry about my grown children and cherish my youngest daughter. I wish you strength in your loss - I can't even begin to imagine... Best regards, Brian Network Services