Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu! elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED! 53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.85.75.40 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: That sucking sound you hear... Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com Lines: 26 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <RVdsb.371319$6C4.123891@pd7tw1no> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:04:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.69.255.206 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1068591857 24.69.255.206 (Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:04:17 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:04:17 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:1536 ...is The SCO Group stock circling the bowl. Guess too many people have rightfully determined that SCO has been perpetrating a massive fraud. Boy, I guess all you guys who couldn't read the BOLD FACE 5000pt writing on the wall must feel pretty stupid. No? Still holding onto some hope? Read any Groklaw recently? 8^) I was recently forced to buy back the stock I had sold short because the owners were bailing. I did manage to make over $12,000 on all the losers that bet on SCO so all is not lost. Har De Har Har Har! Best regards, Brian
Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu! newsfeed.stanford.edu!shelby.stanford.edu!not-for-mail From: "David Chait" <dav...@bonair.stanford.edu> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: That sucking sound you hear... Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:28:35 -0800 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <borrb2$mm8$1@news.Stanford.EDU> References: <RVdsb.371319$6C4.123891@pd7tw1no> NNTP-Posting-Host: fops-saeeds.stanford.edu X-Trace: news.Stanford.EDU 1068593315 23240 171.64.235.174 (11 Nov 2003 23:28:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: ne...@news.stanford.edu X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:1538 You realize that by acting like a complete and utter fool, you disparage not only yourself but the Linux community as a whole. These people know SCO is dead, that is a given, however they have a right to support their current installs without the likes of you harassing them.
Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu! logbridge.uoregon.edu!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com! prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com! newssvr13.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!90be2b52!not-for-mail From: Jeff Liebermann <je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: That sucking sound you hear... Organization: Committee to Maintain an Independent Xenix Reply-To: je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us Message-ID: <j8h3rvk3md6qhe22kbsthrqp2a0u33jns0@4ax.com> References: <RVdsb.371319$6C4.123891@pd7tw1no> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.198.98.51 X-Complaints-To: ab...@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr13.news.prodigy.com 1068614923 ST000 63.198.98.51 (Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:28:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:28:43 EST X-UserInfo1: OPX]R^[EGJWKBFH[OZK@_TDAYZOZ@GXOXZYT]UEK@YUDUWYAKVUOPCW[ML\ JXUCKVFDYZKBMSFX^OMSAFNTINTDDMVW[X\THOPXZRVOCJTUTPC\_JSBVX\ KAOTBAJBVMZTYAKMNLDI_MFDSSOLXINH__FS^\WQGHGI^C@E[A_CF\AQLDQ\ BTMPLDFNVUQ_VM Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 05:28:43 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:1549 On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:04:17 GMT, Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> wrote: >I was recently forced to buy back the stock I had sold short because the >owners were bailing. I did manage to make over $12,000 on all the losers >that bet on SCO so all is not lost. >Brian Bailing? See: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=SCOX Planned sale of 10,000 shares (approx $160,000) in the past month. What insider trading? Which owners are bailing? -- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831.336.2558 voice http://www.LearnByDestroying.com # je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us # 831.421.6491 digital_pager je...@cruzio.com AE6KS
Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu! elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca! pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.85.75.40 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: Re: That sucking sound you hear... Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com References: <RVdsb.371319$6C4.123891@pd7tw1no> <j8h3rvk3md6qhe22kbsthrqp2a0u33jns0@4ax.com> Lines: 34 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <2Gksb.374896$9l5.41295@pd7tw2no> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:45:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.69.255.206 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1068619518 24.69.255.206 (Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:45:18 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:45:18 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:1551 Jeff Liebermann wrote: > Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> wrote: >>I was recently forced to buy back the stock I had sold short >>because the owners were bailing. I did manage to make over >>$12,000 on all the losers that bet on SCO so all is not lost. > Bailing? See: > http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=SCOX > Planned sale of 10,000 shares (approx $160,000) in the past month. > What insider trading? Which owners are bailing? What happens when I sell short is I borrow shares and then sell them keeping the proceeds in a special account - when the share price drops, I buy them back at a lower price and return them to their owner. This is called selling short. It is unusual for the shares to be recalled over so short a period but that is actually what happened - I had sold over 2000 shares at ~$22, most of the shares were recalled yesterday when the price hit ~$16 so I had to replace them paying between $15.50 and $15.00. The shares were recalled because the owners are getting scared and want to sell them. I would love to get some more action so tomorrow I am going to look around for some more shares to sell short. What I said has nothing to do with insider trading - I am betting that SCO bites the dust, and I am winning big! 8^) Brian
Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu! elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw3no.POSTED! 53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.85.75.40 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: Re: That sucking sound you hear... Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com References: <RVdsb.371319$6C4.123891@pd7tw1no> <borrb2$mm8$1@news.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 49 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <z1lsb.373614$pl3.76438@pd7tw3no> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:10:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.69.255.206 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1068621023 24.69.255.206 (Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:10:23 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:10:23 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:1552 David Chait wrote: > You realize that by acting like a complete and utter fool, you > disparage not only yourself but the Linux community as a whole. Give me a Big Fucking Break! The corporate LIARS at The SCO Group have been accusing the Linux community of theft and have done so publicly at every opportunity! SCO has disparaged Open Source, Linux, Linus Torvalds, the GPL and practically everything relating to this amazing development model! Further, SCO has threatened every Linux user, every future user and every potential user of open source and Linux with license fees and lawsuits. This was the deliberate act of a corporate fireship, sacrificing itself in flames in order to damage a system built on the heartfelt contributions of thousands of individual and hundreds of corporate developers. > These people know SCO is dead, that is a given, however they have a > right to support their current installs without the likes of you > harassing them. Am I interfering with business in this newsgroup? Am I interjecting on legitimate help threads? Here is my take on the engineers and developers that continue to draw a salary at SCO - you guys KNEW or should have KNOWN this was a total fraud... And You Let It Happen! Well Fuck You! SCO is dead alright... but not because of anything IBM or RedHat does. It is dead because SCO management is sending it to it's death! Just what do you think all these corporate pirates that have invested heavily in SCO are going to do when they find out that there is not going to be a big payday? SCO assets are going to be ripped to shreds like a kitten in a rat pit. So, if I am hurting the feeling of any SCO advocates or supporters - To Fucking Bad! Now you know how I feel. Have a nice day... Brian
Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu! news.he.net!news.tdl.com!not-for-mail From: "Justin Robbs" <justin_...@SPAMhotmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: That sucking sound you hear... Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:42:10 -0700 Organization: The Diamond Lane Lines: 41 Message-ID: <botreu$p51$1@news.tdl.com> References: <RVdsb.371319$6C4.123891@pd7tw1no> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.16.97.71 X-Trace: news.tdl.com 1068658974 25761 208.16.97.71 (12 Nov 2003 17:42:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: ab...@tdl.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:42:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:1568 "Brian" <br...@stanley-park.com> wrote in message news:RVdsb.371319$6C4.123891@pd7tw1no... > ...is The SCO Group stock circling the bowl. > > Guess too many people have rightfully determined that SCO has been > perpetrating a massive fraud. > > Boy, I guess all you guys who couldn't read the BOLD FACE 5000pt writing on > the wall must feel pretty stupid. > > No? > > Still holding onto some hope? > > Read any Groklaw recently? > > 8^) > > I was recently forced to buy back the stock I had sold short because the > owners were bailing. I did manage to make over $12,000 on all the losers > that bet on SCO so all is not lost. Just out of curiosity a couple people mentioned it was unethical to be supporting SCO installations, developing for SCO, or recommending SCO in any way. Isn't it also unethical to take advantage of their over inflated stock price that they keep pumping up with all of this legal stuff? To me that is just as much profiting off of this mess as the people who are running the company. It would be one thing for someone who owned stock previously to sell it at an advantageous time. Yeah, it is a good business opportunity, but it seems like you were at one point criticizing the people still working for the company, while you yourself own a piece of the company. Although it is entirely possible that it was one of the other guys suggesting this. I am not trying to start a war, just posing a question. Thanks, Justin
Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu! elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED! 53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.85.86.48 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: Re: That sucking sound you hear... Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com References: <RVdsb.371319$6C4.123891@pd7tw1no> <botreu$p51$1@news.tdl.com> Lines: 81 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <spTub.436791$6C4.3907@pd7tw1no> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:55:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.69.255.232 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1069286104 24.69.255.232 (Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:55:04 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:55:04 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:1861 Justin Robbs wrote: > Just out of curiosity a couple people mentioned it was unethical to > be supporting SCO installations, developing for SCO, or recommending > SCO in any way. Isn't it also unethical to take advantage of their > over inflated stock price that they keep pumping up with all of this > legal stuff? To me that is just as much profiting off of this mess > as the people who are running the company. It would be one thing for > someone who owned stock previously to sell it at an advantageous > time. Yeah, it is a good business opportunity, but it seems like you > were at one point criticizing the people still working for the > company, while you yourself own a piece of the company. Although > it is entirely possible that it was one of the other guys suggesting > this. > I am not trying to start a war, just posing a question. Understood. It is my opinion that the engineers and developers should know what is in their codebase and where it came from - especially long time employees, one or two of whom post in this newsgroup. It is also my opinion that these people should know that there has been no mass migration of System V code into the Linux kernel - they more than anybody else have the source code for everything right in front of them, As for the independent developers and consultants, they are betting their clients business on the outcome of a losing war with the hopes that perhaps the scraps can be resurrected and put back into a functioning business model - this is a highly unlikely outcome based on the types of pirates SCO has chosen as financial bedmates. Now let's examine my conduct. The true value of SCO stock should be hovering around the $1 mark or lower since the company has never until this year shown a single quarter of profit since it's inception. One dollar represents the tear apart and sell value of Caldera/SCO. When the price of SCO stock rises on the prospect of getting a massive award from IBM (or buy out) and then gutting the Linux community for license fees, it is rising because dumb-ass stock pirates and day-traders artificially drive the value up way beyond it's real value. These guys are betting against me, my community and our biggest sponsor - because it is a bet in the truest meaning of the word. What I did was borrow some SCO stock and issue a sell order when it hit $22 - I didn't actually get $22 but pretty close because the stock held pretty steady that day. That money went into a special account that can only be used to buy back the SCO shares I borrowed - I can't take it home and spend it. Further, if the price continues to rise and I get scared, I can buy back the shares I borrowed and any shortfall in the account has to be paid by me. In other words, if I have to buy back 2100 shares at $25 after selling at $22 - I have to pony up $6300 difference from my own pocket. At no time do I own any SCO stock - I just borrowed it. What happened to me was the company I borrowed the shares from recalled them when they hit $16 - that means they want them replaced right now. This is quite unusual because the lenders are usually institutions that buy and hold stock for the duration. Apparently this time the owner wanted to divest and I had to buy back ~2100 shares at between $15.50 and $15.20. I made a tidy sum of money after costs and it gives me great pleasure to tell you I made it at the expense of all the pirates that were betting against me and my community. Do I feel any ethical or moral twinge? Absolutely Not! Not only have I done nothing ethically or morally wrong, I have put my money where my mouth is and have been rewarded for betting on the right team. Further, I am currently looking to borrow more SCO stock to sell short because I KNOW they are going to tank Big Time! The problem is, there are so many people selling short that I can't find more shares to borrow. As for the technical employees of The SCO Group - time to freshen up the old interview skills cause you are going to need them. Know this, I will never hire you and probably no reputeable Linux house will hire you because although you may not have actually participated in this devastating fraud - you let it happen and you are complicit! "you were only doing your job" doesn't cut it in this arena. Best regards, Brian