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Hi all,
I have a client that is about to do an upgrade to 5.0.7 and at the same time
deploy Faceterm to their desktops. I checked the Faceterm website
www.facetcorp.com but am not clear if each session on a facetterm desktop
uses a separate SCO User license. So if a user has 3 unix screens running,
does this require 3 User licenses? Is each session a separate telnet login,
or does it run something like the old multiscreens?
Danny Aldham
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 00:21:55 GMT, "Danny Aldham"
<da...@lennon.postino.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have a client that is about to do an upgrade to 5.0.7 and at the same time
>deploy Faceterm to their desktops. I checked the Faceterm website
>www.facetcorp.com but am not clear if each session on a facetterm desktop
>uses a separate SCO User license. So if a user has 3 unix screens running,
>does this require 3 User licenses? Is each session a separate telnet login,
>or does it run something like the old multiscreens?
Hopefully you've realised by now that all the "features" facet-term
provides are available for free with any Liux distro? I mean really,
how desparate are they to advertise "print screen" as a feature?!
Even if you had only one terminal window on a Linux box you can run as
many processes as you like, for god's sake...
I suppose if you're already paying through the nose for SCO's somewhat
outdated (and possibly soon unsupported let's hope!) software, then
you don't care about wasting more cash on a totally redundant piece of
software. Or maybe SCO OS' don't have the option of running multiple
jobs at once in a single terminal session? ;-)
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From: bv@wjv.comREMOVE (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: FacetTerm and SCO User licenses
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In article <5406qv8q78aa2b0bt...@4ax.com>,
FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 00:21:55 GMT, "Danny Aldham"
><da...@lennon.postino.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I have a client that is about to do an upgrade to 5.0.7 and at the same time
>>deploy Faceterm to their desktops. I checked the Faceterm website
>>www.facetcorp.com but am not clear if each session on a facetterm desktop
>>uses a separate SCO User license. So if a user has 3 unix screens running,
>>does this require 3 User licenses? Is each session a separate telnet login,
>>or does it run something like the old multiscreens?
>Hopefully you've realised by now that all the "features" facet-term
>provides are available for free with any Liux distro? I mean really,
>how desparate are they to advertise "print screen" as a feature?!
>Even if you had only one terminal window on a Linux box you can run as
>many processes as you like, for god's sake...
Are all the features in Facet-Term in Linux. All the emulation
choices for example.
And how about remote users. I had one client that had users
in 22 cities and when they updated FacetWin on the main server,
when the remote users logged in, it let them update remotely.
I must have missed that in the Linux distros. What program would
that be? All the remote systems were Windows.
--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
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Bill Vermillion wrote:
> Are all the features in Facet-Term in Linux. All the emulation
> choices for example.
> And how about remote users. I had one client that had users
> in 22 cities and when they updated FacetWin on the main server,
> when the remote users logged in, it let them update remotely.
> I must have missed that in the Linux distros. What program would
> that be? All the remote systems were Windows.
Gee, what about us poor Linux users - do we have anything as good as
FaceTerm - Oh, wait a minute - we could use FaceTerm for Linux!
Or, we could always use open source "screen" - perhaps not all the bells &
whistles but an excellent application.
One of the great things about either solution is you wouldn't be using an
SCO doomed application platform. Doomed!
So listen Bill, you probably missed it because you had your head up your ass
- do you think that was it?
8^)
Brian
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From: bv@wjv.comREMOVE (Bill Vermillion)
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In article <10Lob.243627$pl3.202290@pd7tw3no>,
Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> wrote:
>Bill Vermillion wrote:
>> Are all the features in Facet-Term in Linux. All the emulation
>> choices for example.
>> And how about remote users. I had one client that had users
>> in 22 cities and when they updated FacetWin on the main server,
>> when the remote users logged in, it let them update remotely.
>> I must have missed that in the Linux distros. What program would
>> that be? All the remote systems were Windows.
>Gee, what about us poor Linux users - do we have anything as good as
>FaceTerm - Oh, wait a minute - we could use FaceTerm for Linux!
Go re-read the original post. It made the claim that all the
features in FacetXXXX were available for 'free' >in< Linux.
>Or, we could always use open source "screen" - perhaps not all
>the bells & whistles but an excellent application.
>One of the great things about either solution is you wouldn't be
>using an SCO doomed application platform. Doomed!
>So listen Bill, you probably missed it because you had your head
>up your ass - do you think that was it?
I don't think so. "free in Linux" is not the same as having Facet
available for purchase on Linux. I suspect you had blinders on and
missed the line about 'free in Linux'. I asked "What program would
that be".
As to the open source 'screen' - if the uses in one of their cities
600 miles away has problems, Facet can handle that, otherwise
it's a full days drive [or expensive flight] to get there.
I'm platform neutral on maintain systems for people on SCO, some
Sun, Linux, FreeBSD and MacOSX. I don't choose what the client
uses - I just make it work.
And for the above system - the cost of SCO is the smallest part of
the overall system. Their SW app vendor supports SCO - they grew
with the app for about 10 years - so they stay with it instead of
retraining the two that maintain the SCO system on another
platform, and the pain of migrating to another platform.
The last major OS upgrade was done during a 3-day holiday - so we
worked from early Saturday morning until late Monday night to get
that transfer done. All downtime has to be planned in advance,
and the only time the system is really quiescent is typically
from about 330AM to 5AM each day.
Saving $5-$8K going to a free OS is probably less than 3% of the
total system. They love the app [I am not impressed with the day
it is implemented] and it runs their company quite well.
I don't even work on that one any more since they hired
another full-time person to handle their growding computer and
communications needs.
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> Bill Vermillion wrote:
> > Are all the features in Facet-Term in Linux. All the emulation
> > choices for example.
>
> > And how about remote users. I had one client that had users
> > in 22 cities and when they updated FacetWin on the main server,
> > when the remote users logged in, it let them update remotely.
>
> > I must have missed that in the Linux distros. What program would
> > that be? All the remote systems were Windows.
Brian wrote:
> Gee, what about us poor Linux users - do we have anything as good as
> FaceTerm - Oh, wait a minute - we could use FaceTerm for Linux!
>
> Or, we could always use open source "screen" - perhaps not all the bells &
> whistles but an excellent application.
>
> One of the great things about either solution is you wouldn't be using an
> SCO doomed application platform. Doomed!
>
> So listen Bill, you probably missed it because you had your head
> up your ass
> - do you think that was it?
Here is the conversation...
SCO User: Anyone know if FacetTerm uses a license for each session on
SCO?
Linux User: Why on earth would you use FacetTerm, when there are
other free software on Linux that are better.
SCO User: But the free one you are talking about doesn't actually
do everything I need it to do. FacetTerm is better for my
needs.
Linux User: Better!!! Better!!! Hey, SCO isn't better than Linux. We can
get FacetTerm on Linux TOO!!!!
LOL
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Bill Andersen <bi...@mwdental.com> wrote:
>> Bill Vermillion wrote:
>> > Are all the features in Facet-Term in Linux. All the emulation
>> > choices for example.
>>
>> > And how about remote users. I had one client that had users
>> > in 22 cities and when they updated FacetWin on the main server,
>> > when the remote users logged in, it let them update remotely.
>>
>> > I must have missed that in the Linux distros. What program would
>> > that be? All the remote systems were Windows.
>Brian wrote:
>> Gee, what about us poor Linux users - do we have anything as good as
>> FaceTerm - Oh, wait a minute - we could use FaceTerm for Linux!
>>
>> Or, we could always use open source "screen" - perhaps not all the bells &
>> whistles but an excellent application.
>>
>> One of the great things about either solution is you wouldn't be using an
>> SCO doomed application platform. Doomed!
>>
>> So listen Bill, you probably missed it because you had your head
>> up your ass
>> - do you think that was it?
> Here is the conversation...
> SCO User: Anyone know if FacetTerm uses a license for each session on
>SCO?
> Linux User: Why on earth would you use FacetTerm, when there are
> other free software on Linux that are better.
> SCO User: But the free one you are talking about doesn't actually
> do everything I need it to do. FacetTerm is better for my
>needs.
> Linux User: Better!!! Better!!! Hey, SCO isn't better than Linux. We can
> get FacetTerm on Linux TOO!!!!
> LOL
Thanks for beating me to it, Bill :-)
Sometimes the zealotry is just so blind..
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Bill Andersen wrote:
> Here is the conversation...
> SCO Loser: Anyone know if FacetTerm uses a license for each session
> on SCO?
> Linux User: Why on earth would you use FacetTerm, when there are
> other free software on Linux that are better.
> SCO Loser: But the free one you are talking about doesn't actually
> do everything I need it to do. FacetTerm is better for
> my needs.
> Linux User: Better!!! Better!!! Hey, SCO isn't better than Linux.
We can get FacetTerm on Linux TOO!!!!
That is real funny.
Just how is Faceterm superior to open source "screen"?
You never did explain that.
Oh, by the way, here is what VARBusiness had to say about SCO:
<quote>
SCO should apply some of the money it's shelling out in legal fees in its
suit against IBM and Linux users to its channel efforts. The company's ARC
scores were a train wreck in the enterprise operating systems category. Who
cares what line of code is buried inside some obscure Linux program that
can trace its roots to IBM's Unix license dating back to the Partridge
Family? SCO partners clearly don't appreciate the company's products.
</quote>
www.varbusiness.com/sections/columns/columns.asp?ArticleID=44952
Wow, a train wreck... That can't be good!
You should report some of the other SCO news - building a win around an
obscure utility running on an even more obscure operating system.
SCO is a corpse that just hasn't fallen over yet - unfortunately the stink
is awful!
8^)
Brian
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to...@aplawrence.com wrote:
> Sometimes the zealotry is just so blind..
It must suck every time you go to Groklaw and read about another SCO lie
being revealed for all to see.
But I forgot, you are the newsgroup dumbass - I guess that is just standard
operating procedure for you.
Have you been following what has been happening to SCO stock?
I sold short at $21 and the price is now $16!
KaaaChing!
How is your eyesight Tony?
8^)
KaaaChing!
Have a nice day Tony,
Brian