Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: cmi...@compuville.net (ee99ee) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: New to SCO, not *NIX Date: 24 Sep 2003 17:18:03 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <a8491f4f.0309241618.373f9004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.159.42.31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1064449085 19717 127.0.0.1 (25 Sep 2003 00:18:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups...@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Sep 2003 00:18:05 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:36620 I'm new to SCO. I've got OpenServer 5.0.5 on a box. Problem is, when I installed it I saw no options for networking. It detected my network card (3c595) during the install. But now I'm logged in as root, and no networking of any kind is installed. ifconfig not found, all the normal networking tools aren't there. How do I install TCP/IP networking? Also, is there any kind of package management system for OpenServer? I'm kinda in a rush, so anyone with input would be greatly appricated. :) -Chris
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu! logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp4.savvis.net!nwnews.wa.com! news3.nwnexus.com!news.celestial.com!jpradley.jpr.com!via-email From: Jean-Pierre Radley <j...@jpr.com> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: New to SCO, not *NIX Date: 24 Sep 2003 21:59:01 -0400 Lines: 25 Sender: nou...@jpradley.jpr.com Message-ID: <20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com> References: <a8491f4f.0309241618.373f9004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jpradley.jpr.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: jpradley.jpr.com 1064455141 20830 (None) 66.167.21.66 X-Complaints-To: ne...@jpradley.jpr.com Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <a8491f4f.0309241618.373f9004@posting.google.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:36621 ee99ee typed (on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 05:18:03PM -0700): | I'm new to SCO. I've got OpenServer 5.0.5 on a box. Problem is, when I | installed it I saw no options for networking. It detected my network | card (3c595) during the install. But now I'm logged in as root, and no | networking of any kind is installed. ifconfig not found, all the | normal networking tools aren't there. How do I install TCP/IP | networking? Explain in detail how "It detected my network card during the install". Does running 'licenseMgr' disclose that you've got "SCO OpenServer Enterprise System"? | Also, is there any kind of package management system for OpenServer? There's "custom". | I'm kinda in a rush, so anyone with input would be greatly appricated. | :) If you're new to SCO, why did you start with an older and now unsupported version? -- JP
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06! sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Miller" <cmi...@compuville.net> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: New to SCO, not *NIX Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:35:17 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <vn4l37otpa0p3c@corp.supernews.com> References: <a8491f4f.0309241618.373f9004@posting.google.com> <20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: ab...@supernews.com Lines: 44 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:36622 When I had the option to setup a network card, I had 3 options. They were Auto, Manual, or Defer (or something that means the same and starts with D). I hit Auto, and it came back and put a new option in the list called 3c595 (which is the card I have). I consider that "it detecting it". licenseMgr discloses I have SCO OpenServer Host System. Why did I start with an older version? Because that's what the systems run that I'm going to be dealing with. Unsupported? Interesting.... how old is 5.0.5 exactly? Thanks for the fast responce by the way! :-) -Chris "Jean-Pierre Radley" <j...@jpr.com> wrote in message news:20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com... > ee99ee typed (on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 05:18:03PM -0700): > | I'm new to SCO. I've got OpenServer 5.0.5 on a box. Problem is, when I > | installed it I saw no options for networking. It detected my network > | card (3c595) during the install. But now I'm logged in as root, and no > | networking of any kind is installed. ifconfig not found, all the > | normal networking tools aren't there. How do I install TCP/IP > | networking? > > Explain in detail how "It detected my network card during the install". > > Does running 'licenseMgr' disclose that you've got "SCO OpenServer > Enterprise System"? > > | Also, is there any kind of package management system for OpenServer? > > There's "custom". > > | I'm kinda in a rush, so anyone with input would be greatly appricated. > | :) > > If you're new to SCO, why did you start with an older and now unsupported > version? > > -- > JP
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu! news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com! news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!c03.atl99! news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com! fe12.atl2.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Scott McMillan <sm...@usa.net> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: New to SCO, not *NIX Message-ID: <t8m4nv8cp0his2nqlk0luuciv161an13j3@4ax.com> References: <a8491f4f.0309241618.373f9004@posting.google.com> <20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com> <vn4l37otpa0p3c@corp.supernews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 X-Complaints-To: ab...@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:56:13 EDT Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:05:09 -0400 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:36623 On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:35:17 -0400, "Chris Miller" <cmi...@compuville.net> wrote: >"Jean-Pierre Radley" <j...@jpr.com> wrote in message >news:20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com... >> ee99ee typed (on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 05:18:03PM -0700): >> | I'm new to SCO. I've got OpenServer 5.0.5 on a box. Problem is, when I >> | installed it I saw no options for networking. It detected my network >> | card (3c595) during the install. But now I'm logged in as root, and no >> | networking of any kind is installed. ifconfig not found, all the >> | normal networking tools aren't there. How do I install TCP/IP >> | networking? >> >> Explain in detail how "It detected my network card during the install". >> >> Does running 'licenseMgr' disclose that you've got "SCO OpenServer >> Enterprise System"? >> >> | Also, is there any kind of package management system for OpenServer? >> >> There's "custom". >> >> | I'm kinda in a rush, so anyone with input would be greatly appricated. >> | :) >> >> If you're new to SCO, why did you start with an older and now unsupported >> version? >> >> -- >> JP > <flipped top-post> >When I had the option to setup a network card, I had 3 options. They were >Auto, Manual, or Defer (or something that means the same and starts with D). >I hit Auto, and it came back and put a new option in the list called 3c595 >(which is the card I have). I consider that "it detecting it". > >licenseMgr discloses I have SCO OpenServer Host System. Well, that pretty much kills your networking options - Enterprise supports what you are looking for, Host does not. See http://www.sco.com/products/openserver507/family/ There are upgrade paths, but in-place upgrades have not always been as successful as many would like, and the licensing to do so can be extremely difficult to understand: See http://aplawrence.com/Unixart/ipuvsfreshinstall.html (In fact, since you're new to SCO, Tony's site is a great place to start) > >Why did I start with an older version? Because that's what the systems run >that I'm going to be dealing with. Unsupported? Interesting.... how old is >5.0.5 exactly? (trying to get brain working... can't think that far back...) I would have to say about 5 years now, but that's a guess(TM). > >Thanks for the fast responce by the way! :-) > >-Chris > Scott McMillan
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04! sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Miller" <cmi...@compuville.net> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: New to SCO, not *NIX Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:11:43 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <vn4n7hb6bpg984@corp.supernews.com> References: <a8491f4f.0309241618.373f9004@posting.google.com> <20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com> <vn4l37otpa0p3c@corp.supernews.com> <t8m4nv8cp0his2nqlk0luuciv161an13j3@4ax.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Complaints-To: ab...@supernews.com Lines: 88 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:36624 Oh well. Thanks for the info. :-) One question: Who in their right mind would use an OS that doesn't support networking at all? -Chris "Scott McMillan" <sm...@usa.net> wrote in message news:t8m4nv8cp0his2nqlk0luuciv161an13j3@4ax.com... > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:35:17 -0400, "Chris Miller" > <cmi...@compuville.net> wrote: > > >"Jean-Pierre Radley" <j...@jpr.com> wrote in message > >news:20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com... > >> ee99ee typed (on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 05:18:03PM -0700): > >> | I'm new to SCO. I've got OpenServer 5.0.5 on a box. Problem is, when I > >> | installed it I saw no options for networking. It detected my network > >> | card (3c595) during the install. But now I'm logged in as root, and no > >> | networking of any kind is installed. ifconfig not found, all the > >> | normal networking tools aren't there. How do I install TCP/IP > >> | networking? > >> > >> Explain in detail how "It detected my network card during the install". > >> > >> Does running 'licenseMgr' disclose that you've got "SCO OpenServer > >> Enterprise System"? > >> > >> | Also, is there any kind of package management system for OpenServer? > >> > >> There's "custom". > >> > >> | I'm kinda in a rush, so anyone with input would be greatly appricated. > >> | :) > >> > >> If you're new to SCO, why did you start with an older and now unsupported > >> version? > >> > >> -- > >> JP > > > <flipped top-post> > > >When I had the option to setup a network card, I had 3 options. They were > >Auto, Manual, or Defer (or something that means the same and starts with D). > >I hit Auto, and it came back and put a new option in the list called 3c595 > >(which is the card I have). I consider that "it detecting it". > > > >licenseMgr discloses I have SCO OpenServer Host System. > > Well, that pretty much kills your networking options - Enterprise > supports what you are looking for, Host does not. See > http://www.sco.com/products/openserver507/family/ > > There are upgrade paths, but in-place upgrades have not always been as > successful as many would like, and the licensing to do so can be > extremely difficult to understand: See > http://aplawrence.com/Unixart/ipuvsfreshinstall.html > > (In fact, since you're new to SCO, Tony's site is a great place to > start) > > > > >Why did I start with an older version? Because that's what the systems run > >that I'm going to be dealing with. Unsupported? Interesting.... how old is > >5.0.5 exactly? > > (trying to get brain working... can't think that far back...) I would > have to say about 5 years now, but that's a guess(TM). > > > > >Thanks for the fast responce by the way! :-) > > > >-Chris > > > > > Scott McMillan >
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu! news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com! feed2.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!newshosting.com! news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net! newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk! demon!not-for-mail From: FyRE <FyRE@toktik.demon.ku.oc.x> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: New to SCO, not *NIX Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:43:17 +0100 Lines: 31 Message-ID: <24h5nvkhecu5rusgkuh4u41jfi5v3bkvbd@4ax.com> References: <a8491f4f.0309241618.373f9004@posting.google.com> <20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com> <vn4l37otpa0p3c@corp.supernews.com> <t8m4nv8cp0his2nqlk0luuciv161an13j3@4ax.com> <vn4n7hb6bpg984@corp.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tiktok.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1064486598 13951 62.49.19.48 (25 Sep 2003 10:43:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: ab...@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:43:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:36629 On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:11:43 -0400, "Chris Miller" <cmi...@compuville.net> wrote: >Oh well. Thanks for the info. :-) > >One question: Who in their right mind would use an OS that doesn't support >networking at all? I think the real question is "who would use SCO?" Anyone possessed of any moral fibre would try their damndest to convince the uninformed, or ignorant victims of SCO to convert over to one of the free (and technically superior) alternatives. As you've probably already found, SCO's primary objective is milking as much money as possible from their pretty outdated and undersupported OS... Actually, no their primary objective is to do whatever Microsoft pay them to, and make the management rich through stock manipulation - but that's another matter... You have to wonder if you really wish to become involved with the sort of scumbag company that actually tries to fleece you for more money to add this new fangled "networking" support in the 21st century, don't you? If you're in a position to infuence IT direction at your company, it's practically your DUTY to force a migration away from the dead husk of SCO (let's face it, as a software company they died long ago; and as an IP house, they're clumsy, greedy, and about to become extinct). In fact, any direction away from SCO is good, apart from Microsoft of course, who are probably worse. -- FyRE <"War: The way Americans learn geography" >
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu! logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!nnrp.xmission!zenez.com!gerberb From: Boyd Lynn Gerber <ger...@zenez.com> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: What if the one in a millon chance SCO is right? Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:12:11 -0600 Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 53 Message-ID: <Pine.SC5.4.44.0309251057580.28626-100000@xenau105.zenez.com> References: <a8491f4f.0309241618.373f9004@posting.google.com> <20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com> <vn4l37otpa0p3c@corp.supernews.com> <t8m4nv8cp0his2nqlk0luuciv161an13j3@4ax.com> <vn4n7hb6bpg984@corp.supernews.com> <24h5nvkhecu5rusgkuh4u41jfi5v3bkvbd@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zenez.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: terabinaries.xmission.com 1064509934 7536 166.70.62.2 (25 Sep 2003 17:12:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: ab...@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:12:14 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <24h5nvkhecu5rusgkuh4u41jfi5v3bkvbd@4ax.com> Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:36644 On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, FyRE wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:11:43 -0400, "Chris Miller" > <cmi...@compuville.net> wrote: > > >Oh well. Thanks for the info. :-) > > > >One question: Who in their right mind would use an OS that doesn't support > >networking at all? > > I think the real question is "who would use SCO?" Anyone possessed of > any moral fibre would try their damndest to convince the uninformed, > or ignorant victims of SCO to convert over to one of the free (and > technically superior) alternatives. As you've probably already found, > SCO's primary objective is milking as much money as possible from > their pretty outdated and undersupported OS... Actually, no their > primary objective is to do whatever Microsoft pay them to, and make > the management rich through stock manipulation - but that's another > matter... > > You have to wonder if you really wish to become involved with the sort > of scumbag company that actually tries to fleece you for more money to > add this new fangled "networking" support in the 21st century, don't > you? > > If you're in a position to infuence IT direction at your company, it's > practically your DUTY to force a migration away from the dead husk of > SCO (let's face it, as a software company they died long ago; and as > an IP house, they're clumsy, greedy, and about to become extinct). In > fact, any direction away from SCO is good, apart from Microsoft of > course, who are probably worse. > -- > FyRE <"War: The way Americans learn geography" > What if SCO does prove it is right, you have assume they are wrong, which has not been proven. I am not saying they are right, but what if you are proved wrong. I do not see them as an extinct SW company. Only time will tell, but they have shown plans to do developement and add staff. So although we may not like how they are doing things publicly. They still may have a legal claim to be determined by the courts. From what I have seen in the past and where less than 2% of code was used they lost. This is a legal matter of which I believe neither of us is really qualified to speak on leagal matters. The customer is always king! We have to do what the customer wants. We make money providing the services they want. -- Boyd Gerber <ger...@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:05:43 +0100 Lines: 133 Message-ID: <sag6nv064t4tn1q0ho00ikj25nrjbt29mu@4ax.com> References: <a8491f4f.0309241618.373f9004@posting.google.com> <20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com> <vn4l37otpa0p3c@corp.supernews.com> <t8m4nv8cp0his2nqlk0luuciv161an13j3@4ax.com> <vn4n7hb6bpg984@corp.supernews.com> <24h5nvkhecu5rusgkuh4u41jfi5v3bkvbd@4ax.com> <Pine.SC5.4.44.0309251057580.28626-100000@xenau105.zenez.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tiktok.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1064520344 12296 62.49.19.48 (25 Sep 2003 20:05:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: ab...@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:05:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:36647 On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:12:11 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber <ger...@zenez.com> wrote: [...] >> If you're in a position to infuence IT direction at your company, it's >> practically your DUTY to force a migration away from the dead husk of >> SCO (let's face it, as a software company they died long ago; and as >> an IP house, they're clumsy, greedy, and about to become extinct). In >> fact, any direction away from SCO is good, apart from Microsoft of >> course, who are probably worse. >What if SCO does prove it is right, you have assume they are wrong, which >has not been proven. I am not saying they are right, but what if you are >proved wrong. Well let's look at events so far shall we? SCO are bleeding money as Linux installs replace their expensive alternatives. Suddenly Darl McBride pops up as CEO and immediately sets the legal teams into motion to try to find some way to profit from the ancient UNIX codebase they bought dating from way back in the 60s. Fast forward a few months, and SCO fall out with IBM as some goofball in their IT dept wrongly think Linux has SCO proprietory code in the kernel and IBM put it there. Fast forward past all of McBride's threats and lies, and we get to the SCO annual conference where we *finally* see some "evidence". SCO's crack cryptography department fiendishly encrypt SCO's source code using an algorythm not unlike ROT13, but it's still cracked by the Open source crowd. The "evidence" is that Linux includes BSD code, and so does SCO's code. This is far from evidence. It makes Darl and co look like the clowns they are and I'm guessing someone got fired back in Utah. Here's a few bullet points about this whole SCO circus: 1) If they had evidence, why not show some of the strongest at their conference, instead of something that made them appear utterly incompetent? 2) SCO claimed some team of mathmaticians from MIT compared their source tree to the Linux 2.4.x kernels, but MIT themselves know nothing of this. SCO refused to name any of the "mathmaticians"... 3) A plaintive in a case such as this must do all in their power to prevent continuing violations of their IP. SCO have refused every single call to list the code that infringes on their IP. Hell, they were until VERY recently still distributing Linux THEMSELVES! 4) Darl's continuing lies and misrepresentations to the press. Why bother making yourself look like a complete asshat IF you really do have a case? 5) The SCO management continue to sell shares just as quickly as SEC will allow. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence, does it? 5b) The biggest buyers of shares are Canopy group associations, AND companies with very close links to Microsoft. In fact MS and Sun (who would also benefit from Linux disappearing) have both been throwing money at SCO - and some suggest are actually pulling the strings to make monkey-boy Darl dance around for the media. But OK, let's suspend disbelief and the huge mountain of evidence against them and suppose there is some proprietory code in the Linux kernel. Here's what will happen: Step 1: It is removed in less than 24 hours (probably much less). Step 2: There is no step 2. The OS community does not want proprietory code in their work. Certainly not SCO's. It's actually offensive to think that this companys source was infecting the kernel tree. We WANT SCO to show evidence of just where they think it is, so it can be extracted and sent straight to the bit-bin. >I do not see them as an extinct SW company. Only time will >tell, but they have shown plans to do developement and add staff. So >although we may not like how they are doing things publicly. They still >may have a legal claim to be determined by the courts. From what I have >seen in the past and where less than 2% of code was used they lost. This >is a legal matter of which I believe neither of us is really qualified to >speak on leagal matters. I am not a lawyer, but seeing a bunch of boneheads dancing around squealing "you stole from us! b-b-but we're not going to tell you what you stole, oh no!" doesn't convince me of their truthfulness. Reading Darl's blatant lies doesn't convince me either. Knowing that Bill Gate's wife is on the board of one of the biggest shareholders of SCO's stock (recently) doesn't convince me either, somehow. >The customer is always king! We have to do what the customer wants. We >make money providing the services they want. Yes, we have to think of the customers. So how do you think the customers feel when they see their software supplier spouting garbage in public, facing a mountain of lawsuits, being banned from making libellous statements in (for example) Germany or face jail. Sending out threats to their customers. Sending out demands for money for software they're perfectly entitled to use already (Linux licences) AND intimating that if said customer doesn't cough up the money now, it'll be double the amount later? You think this action will attract more business. SCO are dead as a software company, there's no doubt about that. They rely upon GPL'ed code (such as Samba) to prop up their aging operating systems. They now have no community backing. The alternatives surpassed them long ago, and this is unlikely to improve as they continue exchanging programmers for lawyers. It's so transparently obvious that I'm surprised you haven't realised yet. SCO's unix has no future at all. If they did manage to win any claim, their offending code would be removed, and so no revenue stream. IBM have launched a countersuit against them, and once Linux is out of their firing line, Microsoft and Sun will cease funding their court charades. In fact, history has shown that whenever IBM shows the "patent" card, the target is toast - IBM have been doing this for a LONG time, and tend to win. But I'm guessing you're just patting your remaining customers on the head, taking their money and turning them back around to wander out the door without any inkling about the total mess SCO's management have made as they gut the company to make themselves rich. I'd feel damned ashamed if I allowed anyone to buy a new software solution involving their overpriced, underpowered and dead-ended products. I'd feel that way because it's my duty as an IT expert to advise my customers about the best direction to take in the future. I like my concience clear in the morning, but if you can live with yourself, making a quick buck by fleecing a few "rubes" then, carry on for as long as you can, I guess. When the "rubes" figure out they have an expensive lemon on their hands, people such as myself get the new business... -- FyRE <"War: The way Americans learn geography" >
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com! newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!nntp-relay.ihug.net! ihug.co.nz!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling! news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!xmission!nnrp.xmission!zenez.com! gerberb From: Boyd Lynn Gerber <ger...@zenez.com> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: What if the one in a millon chance SCO is right? Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:31:09 -0600 Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 90 Message-ID: <Pine.SC5.4.44.0309260857330.19805-100000@xenau105.zenez.com> References: <a8491f4f.0309241618.373f9004@posting.google.com> <20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com> <vn4l37otpa0p3c@corp.supernews.com> <t8m4nv8cp0his2nqlk0luuciv161an13j3@4ax.com> <vn4n7hb6bpg984@corp.supernews.com> <24h5nvkhecu5rusgkuh4u41jfi5v3bkvbd@4ax.com> <Pine.SC5.4.44.0309251057580.28626-100000@xenau105.zenez.com> <sag6nv064t4tn1q0ho00ikj25nrjbt29mu@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zenez.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: terabinaries.xmission.com 1064597472 26376 166.70.62.2 (26 Sep 2003 17:31:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: ab...@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:31:12 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <sag6nv064t4tn1q0ho00ikj25nrjbt29mu@4ax.com> Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:36658 On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, FyRE wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 <ger...@zenez.com> wrote: Fanatical Useless Rehashed Biased Derival (FURBD) removed. > >I do not see them as an extinct SW company. Only time will > >tell, but they have shown plans to do developement and add staff. So > >although we may not like how they are doing things publicly. They still > >may have a legal claim to be determined by the courts. From what I have > >seen in the past and where less than 2% of code was used they lost. This > >is a legal matter of which I believe neither of us is really qualified to > >speak on leagal matters. FURBD removed > >The customer is always king! We have to do what the customer wants. We > >make money providing the services they want. FURBD removed > But I'm guessing you're just patting your remaining customers on the > head, taking their money and turning them back around to wander out > the door without any inkling about the total mess SCO's management > have made as they gut the company to make themselves rich. I'd feel > damned ashamed if I allowed anyone to buy a new software solution > involving their overpriced, underpowered and dead-ended products. I'd > feel that way because it's my duty as an IT expert to advise my Expert???? Yeah A wannabe. If you were and expert you would realize how much you do not know and need to learn! Rantings from a mad man are really not worth much. > customers about the best direction to take in the future. I like my Yeah only your FUD is right! > concience clear in the morning, but if you can live with yourself, > making a quick buck by fleecing a few "rubes" then, carry on for as > long as you can, I guess. When the "rubes" figure out they have an > expensive lemon on their hands, people such as myself get the new > business... ASSUME ASS U nd ME. Well you must think all customers are MS clones or total idiots. I haved used and recommend the best solution for my customers based on their needs, not FUD. No are so blind you can not even begin to be objective. I used to think you may have bit of insight but not any longer. All you do is FURBD. My customers are well informed and Can and Do think for themselves. I have not right to tell them their linux, BSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, OS X, SCO OS, ... What ever they are using is being used for specific reasons I can to tell their OS AFDASDFQWEQWERQEFASDFQADSFQEQEWRAFSD is wrong for what they are doing. They know and understand their needs. They are not mindless drones. They know what they need that is why they are were they are in their industries. An expert knows when to speak, when to listen, when to seek help, when to admit their faults, and when they need to learn. It is obivous you are no expert! Every OS has it's strenghts and weaknesses. And you use them where needed. I was a lot like you a long time ago (over 20 years). At university in a class of over 600 students, I raised my hand and and corrected the teacher. What he was teaching was totally wrong. I showed him in his printed notes and the text books where what he was lecturing on was totally impossible. I proved to the entire class he was a total idiot. I was kicked out of the class and could only attend for tests. I had the highest score in the class by over 1000 points. I got a C-. I took it as far as I could to protest the injustice. What I found out was grades are subjective. It does not matter what the printed A-F grades should be a teacher has the right to report the grade he/she feels is right. I may have won the battle in the class but lost the war. What I learned is that it is better to become an expert than a wannabe. From now on I know better than to try and make you aware of your lack ... > -- > FyRE <"War: The way Americans learn geography" > > -- Boyd Gerber <ger...@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 ! FyRE: The way the uninformed get attention/troll!
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu! news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!in.100proofnews.com! in.100proofnews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca! pd7tw3no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.79.106.253 From: Brian <br...@stanley-park.com> Subject: Re: What if the one in a millon chance SCO is right? Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc Reply-To: br...@stanley-park.com References: <a8491f4f.0309241618.373f9004@posting.google.com> <20030925015900.GH1469@jpradley.jpr.com> <vn4l37otpa0p3c@corp.supernews.com> <t8m4nv8cp0his2nqlk0luuciv161an13j3@4ax.com> <vn4n7hb6bpg984@corp.supernews.com> <24h5nvkhecu5rusgkuh4u41jfi5v3bkvbd@4ax.com> <Pine.SC5.4.44.0309251057580.28626-100000@xenau105.zenez.com> <sag6nv064t4tn1q0ho00ikj25nrjbt29mu@4ax.com> <Pine.SC5.4.44.0309260857330.19805-100000@xenau105.zenez.com> Lines: 36 User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <bG%cb.25146$I36.13851@pd7tw3no> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:35:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.69.255.232 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw3no 1064601351 24.69.255.232 (Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:35:51 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:35:51 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.unix.sco.misc:36659 Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: <clipped implausible story> > What I learned is that it is better to become an expert than a wannabe. Huh? I notice you are unable to contest a single point made by the OP and your only argument has to do with some fictional event in your distant past. Excuse me but <cough> *BULLSHIT* <cough>. What has your fictional story got to do with Darl & Co being a pack of opportunistic rats bailing out of their sinking software business hoping for a golden parachute by litigation? SCO's claims are bogus, unsubstantiated, unfounded in fact, without merit, a tissue of lies and damn lies! Even their attack on the GPL is an outrageous argument that no attorney would dare present before a sitting judge. Listen Boyd, you obviously like your chosen OS company but you are also obviously not nearly as bright as you would have us believe. If you think you really have some information to contribute in support of your position, please hold forth - but I am not buying the stifled genius pose, you just ain't got the bones Boyd. 8^) Best regards, Brian