law enforcement I know of so far

Message ID: 37489
Posted By: darlmclied
Posted On: 2003-09-04 13:40:00
Subject: law enforcement I know of so far

If you know of more places, post with subject 'LAW ENF' and I'll add that to the list.

fraudnet.gao.gov

list of Attorney Generals - find your AG here.
http://www.naag.org/ag/full_ag_table.php

Securities and Exchange Commission: http://www.sec.gov/complaint/cf942sec7040.htm

Internet Fraud Complaint center: help://www1.ifccfbi.gov/cf1.asp
(this is an effort of the FBI)

Federal Trade Commission: https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
CHANGE THE https - to h tee tee pee ess

Or it may be more effective to phone and talk to a person, so, advice from anon at slashdot I just got off the phone with the FTC. If everyone calls and complains then the chances they will investigate SCO goes up. They look for patterns. In other words, if the majority of their calls are about SCO then they will investigate.

These are the key points to make:

-You did not purchase software from SCO
-The company that "produced" your software did not purchase it from SCO
-It was not marketed or packaged by SCO
-Despite this SCO is asking for $199 from home users (You) and $699 from business for 1 CPU

They will ask for your name, phone number, address etc. That is mostly to verify your identity and citizenship I think.

Here is the number:

1-877-382-4357 option 4

They are nice and listen well. The lady I talked to even took the time to get a better understanding of what Linux is. The best quote from her "You didn't purchase it from them and they want you to pay them? That sounds crazy."
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Call FTC 1-877-382-4357 opt 4
-You didn't buy from SCO
-Vendor didn't either
-They want $199 ...

Here's some information that may help. They actually asked for this info:

The SCO Group
355 South 520 West
Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042

801-765-4999 phone

The guy I spoke with was actually somewhat familiar with what Linux is. One of his first questions was how this company got involved with me, which my answer was "Well, that's the problem. They didn't."

He eventually asked if SCO has contacted me personally with regard to this situation, which they have not. Don't lie to them. Be completely truthful. At the end of the call I got a reference number, and he said that if SCO does contact me personally, I should call back and let them know.

it was very easy to do, and took about 5 minutes of my time. The recording while I wated for the counselor to pick up the phone did say that the FTC does track trends in complaints. If we get enough people to complain, something will happen. Please, take a few minutes and call!

Lots of background and what to say when contacting some of the above agencies is here
h--p://www.goingware.com/notes/prosecute-sco.html
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Message ID: 37490
Posted By: darlmclied
Posted On: 2003-09-04 13:40:00
Subject: law enforcement I know of so far PT2

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US Postal Service

https://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/MailFraudComplaint.htm

A lot of people are saying, "wait until you get an invoice to get USPS involved."
http://www.usps.com/websites/depart/inspect/falsbill.htm

But why wait? There's already an extortion racket operating, a co-ordinated racket involving advertising, press releases, conference calls, interviews and staged presentations and part of that extortion racket campaign was conducted by mail. 1500 letter were sent to corporations as part of a shakedown. The mails have already been used in an extremely suspicious manner.

When you complain make sure to include a few links to invoice /threat stories
http://www.linuxworld.com/story/33993.htm
http://www.idg.com.sg/idgwww.nsf/unidlookup/8A82F436CD6D4CA448256D97000A5F6C?OpenDocument

Draw a diagram for the US Postal Service showing a pattern of conduct using the mails to defraud, a pattern that started with those letters.
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,81712,00.html

Some phrases to use may be
'using the mails as part of a co-ordinated campaign of fraud'
'playing around, using the Internet to make actual threats, combined with suggestively threatening mails'
'making actual threats in the media, in interviews, over the internet and in press releases, and using the mails to send veiled threats that reinforce these other threats.'

Message ID: 42921
Posted By: darlmclied
Posted On: 2003-09-17 09:28:00
Subject: LAW ENFORCEMENT 1 (repost)

fraudnet.gao.gov

list of Attorney Generals - find your AG here.
http://www.naag.org/ag/full_ag_table.php

Securities and Exchange Commission:
http://www.sec.gov/complaint/cf942sec7040.htm

Internet Fraud Complaint center: (this is an effort of the FBI)
help://www1.ifccfbi.gov/cf1.asp

Federal Trade Commission: CHANGE THE https - to h tee tee pee ess
https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

Or it may be more effective to phone and talk to a person, so, advice from anon at slashdot I just got off the phone with the FTC. If everyone calls and complains then the chances they will investigate SCO goes up. They look for patterns. In other words, if the majority of their calls are about SCO then they will investigate.

These are the key points to make:

-You did not purchase software from SCO
-The company that "produced" your software did not purchase it from SCO
-It was not marketed or packaged by SCO
-Despite this SCO is asking for $199 from home users (You) and $699 from business for 1 CPU

They will ask for your name, phone number, address etc. That is mostly to verify your identity and citizenship I think.
Here is the number:

1-877-382-4357 option 4

They are nice and listen well. The lady I talked to even took the time to get a better understanding of what Linux is. The best quote from her "You didn't purchase it from them and they want you to pay them? That sounds crazy."
Call FTC 1-877-382-4357 opt 4
-You didn't buy from SCO
-Vendor didn't either
-They want $199 ...

Here's some information that may help. They actually asked for this info:

The SCO Group
355 South 520 West
Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042

801-765-4999 phone

The guy I spoke with was actually somewhat familiar with what Linux is. One of his first questions was how this company got involved with me, which my answer was "Well, that's the problem. They didn't."

He eventually asked if SCO has contacted me personally with regard to this situation, which they have not. Don't lie to them. Be completely truthful. At the end of the call I got a reference number, and he said that if SCO does contact me personally, I should call back and let them know.

it was very easy to do, and took about 5 minutes of my time. The recording while I wated for the counselor to pick up the phone did say that the FTC does track trends in complaints. If we get enough people to complain, something will happen. Please, take a few minutes and call!

Lots of background and what to say when contacting some of the above agencies is here
h--p://www.goingware.com/notes/prosecute-sco.html

Message ID: 42922
Posted By: darlmclied
Posted On: 2003-09-17 09:29:00
Subject: LAW ENFORCEMENT 2 (repost)

US Postal Service - read this whole entry for why I think you should complain NOW, not when you get the alleged invoices.

COMPLAIN HERE - note the PS in https://ww instead of the usual http://ww
https://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/MailFraudComplaint.htm

A lot of people are saying, "wait until you get an invoice to get USPS involved." Here's some information on invoice fraud as the USPS sees it.
http://www.usps.com/websites/depart/inspect/falsbill.htm

But why wait? There's already an extortion racket operating, a co-ordinated racket involving advertising, press releases, conference calls, interviews and staged presentations and part of that extortion racket campaign was conducted by mail. 1500 letter were sent to corporations as part of a shakedown. The mails have already been used in an extremely suspicious manner.

When you complain make sure to include a few links to invoice /threat stories
http://www.linuxworld.com/story/33993.htm
http://www.idg.com.sg/idgwww.nsf/unidlookup/8A82F436CD6D4CA448256D97000A5F6C?OpenDocument

Draw a diagram for the US Postal Service showing a pattern of conduct using the mails to defraud, a pattern that started with those letters.
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,81712,00.html

Some phrases to use may be
'using the mails as part of a co-ordinated campaign of fraud'
'playing around, using the Internet to make actual threats, combined with suggestively threatening mails'
'making actual threats in the media, in interviews, over the internet and in press releases, and using the mails to send veiled threats that reinforce these other threats.'
get law enforcement involved NEW (repo)

_________

New suggestion for complaining, to the SEC.

A suggested letter (change to your tastes)

"I would like the SEC to investigate a possible case of illegal Stock manipulation.

On Aug 11 the share price of SCO Group was sinking like a rock, hitting a low of $8.27.

Soon after the price started sinking SCO Group released several press releases.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030811/lam083_1.html
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030811/1456000943_3.html

Now, on Sept 9 we get this news, which completely contradicts the above press releases.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1817&e=2&u=/zd/20030905/tc_zd/5 9210&sid=96120751

It would seem that the August 11 press releases were complete fabrications put out with the intent to manipulate the stock price."

Message ID: 49486
Posted By: darlmclied
Posted On: 2003-10-06 11:08:00
Subject: LAW enforcement ONE

Get the coppers involved.
fraudnet.gao.gov

list of Attorney Generals - find your AG here.
http://www.naag.org/ag/full_ag_table.php

Securities and Exchange Commission:
http://www.sec.gov/complaint/cf942sec7040.htm

Internet Fraud Complaint center: (this is an effort of the FBI)
help://www1.ifccfbi.gov/cf1.asp

Federal Trade Commission: CHANGE THE https - to h tee tee pee ess
https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

Or it may be more effective to phone and talk to a person, so, advice from anon at slashdot I just got off the phone with the FTC. If everyone calls and complains then the chances they will investigate SCO goes up. They look for patterns. In other words, if the majority of their calls are about SCO then they will investigate.

These are the key points to make:

-You did not purchase software from SCO
-The company that "produced" your software did not purchase it from SCO
-It was not marketed or packaged by SCO
-Despite this SCO is asking for $199 from home users (You) and $699 from business for 1 CPU

They will ask for your name, phone number, address etc. That is mostly to verify your identity and citizenship I think.
Here is the number:

1-877-382-4357 option 4

They are nice and listen well. The lady I talked to even took the time to get a better understanding of what Linux is. The best quote from her "You didn't purchase it from them and they want you to pay them? That sounds crazy."
Call FTC 1-877-382-4357 opt 4
-You didn't buy from SCO
-Vendor didn't either
-They want $199 ...

Here's some information that may help. They actually asked for this info:

The SCO Group
355 South 520 West
Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042

801-765-4999 phone

The guy I spoke with was actually somewhat familiar with what Linux is. One of his first questions was how this company got involved with me, which my answer was "Well, that's the problem. They didn't."

He eventually asked if SCO has contacted me personally with regard to this situation, which they have not. Don't lie to them. Be completely truthful. At the end of the call I got a reference number, and he said that if SCO does contact me personally, I should call back and let them know.

it was very easy to do, and took about 5 minutes of my time. The recording while I wated for the counselor to pick up the phone did say that the FTC does track trends in complaints. If we get enough people to complain, something will happen. Please, take a few minutes and call!

Lots of background and what to say when contacting some of the above agencies is here
h--p://www.goingware.com/notes/prosecute-sco.html

Message ID: 49487
Posted By: darlmclied
Posted On: 2003-10-06 11:08:00
Subject: LAW enforcement TWO

US Postal Service - read this whole entry for why I think you should complain NOW, not when you get the alleged invoices.

COMPLAIN HERE - note the PS in https://ww instead of the usual http://ww
https://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/MailFraudComplaint.htm

A lot of people are saying, "wait until you get an invoice to get USPS involved." Here's some information on invoice fraud as the USPS sees it.
http://www.usps.com/websites/depart/inspect/falsbill.htm

But why wait? There's already an extortion racket operating, a co-ordinated racket involving advertising, press releases, conference calls, interviews and staged presentations and part of that extortion racket campaign was conducted by mail. 1500 letter were sent to corporations as part of a shakedown. The mails have already been used in an extremely suspicious manner.

When you complain make sure to include a few links to invoice /threat stories
http://www.linuxworld.com/story/33993.htm
http://www.idg.com.sg/idgwww.nsf/unidlookup/8A82F436CD6D4CA448256D97000A5F6C?OpenDocument

Draw a diagram for the US Postal Service showing a pattern of conduct using the mails to defraud, a pattern that started with those letters.
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,81712,00.html

Some phrases to use may be
'using the mails as part of a co-ordinated campaign of fraud'
'playing around, using the Internet to make actual threats, combined with suggestively threatening mails'
'making actual threats in the media, in interviews, over the internet and in press releases, and using the mails to send veiled threats that reinforce these other threats.'
________
New suggestion for complaining, to the SEC.

A suggested letter (change to your tastes)

"I would like the SEC to investigate a possible case of illegal Stock manipulation.

On Aug 11 the share price of SCO Group was sinking like a rock, hitting a low of $8.27.

Soon after the price started sinking SCO Group released several press releases.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030811/lam083_1.html
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030811/1456000943_3.html

Now, on Sept 9 we get this news, which completely contradicts the above press releases.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1817&e=2&u=/zd/20030905/tc_zd/5 9210&sid=96120751

It would seem that the August 11 press releases were complete fabrications put out with the intent to manipulate the stock price."
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Attention SCO Employees!
by: truthtellersco (30/M/Santa Clara) 09/30/03 08:40 pm
Msg: 47858 of 47858

This is your chance to set things right.

And this is your chance to collect the Bounty the SEC pays for you turning in crooks like Darl McBride and the Canopy Cabal.

They are getting rich on your backs. Why not turn the tables?

Do whats right - and make some money at the same time. You'll be a hero in the Open Source community, and you'll make some coin - plus you can feel good about doing the right thing.

http://www.sec.gov/divisions/enforce/insider.htm

Message ID: 49727
Posted By: darlmclied
Posted On: 2003-10-07 03:18:00
Subject: Warn investors, customers, FTC, FBI

I've filed reports with SEC, FTC
and instructed people every chance I get on how to file complaints with

US Postal service, SEC, FTC, FBI.

The wheels of justice move slowly but the'll eventually CRUSH SCO.

NOTE that SCO never mailed a single invoice. Think all the posts on this and other boards telling SCO to expect fraud suits had something to do with that?

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