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From: Nucleon <tcfe...@mtco.com>
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Subject: sco.com and caldera.com are down
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Since yesterday or before, I can no longer access either sco.com or
caldera.com. Across the net, many others are experiencing this, but
nobody seems to know why. Does anyone know what's going on?
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From: Jeff Liebermann <je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us>
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Subject: Re: sco.com and caldera.com are down
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:09:26 -0700
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:47:07 +0100, Scott
<scott@tiktok.demon.c.u.o.t.s.a> wrote:
> - let's look at the facts:
Let's check the facts.
> 1) Their own directors selling shares as quickly as possible.
> The only reason SCOX stock is high is due to the amount of
> short-stock. Noone in their right mind would buy it.
See:
http://biz.yahoo.com/t/S/SCOX.html
There are as many options exercised as there are sales. The largest
sale was $261,000. Total insider sales was 1.7% of shares owned by
officers. As most of the sales were proceeded by options priced under
$2/share, I would be more than just tempted to sell when the stock
went to as high as $15/share (and then started to drop). Where is
your "selling shares as quickly as possible"?
> 2) they're infringing upon IBM patents (which luckily cover
> ALL their product lines ;-)
IBM is the worlds largest patent holder. They patent everything in
sight. It's almost impossible to do any kind of software without
locking horns with IBM. For example, XML for ecommerce is allegedly
patented by IBM.
http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2861528,00.html
Of course, IBM is being magnanimous that week and offered free
royalties to those that will recognize IBM's ownership of ebiz XML.
In the current legal pissing match with SCO, IBM has no reason to be
so nice, and is defending their software patents. Let's just say that
IBM picks its opponents carefully.
Informix:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2000/02/07/daily10.html
I'm not surprised that IBM would claim patent infringement as the
current issue would cast them as the victim should it precipitate a
judicial or legislative review of the validity of software patents.
> 3) The entire OS community hate them, and support for SCO
> products is likely to be removed from many projects.
I doubt it. However, future support in new products is likely to be
lacking.
> 4) The directors are likely to face jail terms for their
> recent defamation and threats sent out to Linux users. Oh
> yes, and for the stock price manipulation.
For what crime? It really depends on how many congress critters one
owns. Ken Lay and Bernie Ebbers still haven't been indicted by the
Justice Department. My guess is that they never will be. However,
the JD has indicted Martha Stuart (not for insider trading, but only
for covering up her insider trading). High profile proscecution is
based on politix and not the letter of the law.
> 5) Their own products stink (believe me, moving from
> OpenServer to Linux is like travelling 20 years forward
> through time!)
I've been using SCO products since Xenix 2.0. My guess that would be
about 1988. I've been tinkering with Linux since 1.1.13 which is
about 1994. I do not claim to be an expert on either OSR5 or Linux.
I have made money with OSR5 but have not been able to do as well with
Linux. I'll leave it to others to pass judgement on the quality of
the product as I'm not a programmist.
> 6) Why pay per-seat licencing for an outdated OS, when Linux
> is free, faster, supports much more hardware and all the
> same software (and more)? Oh, and you get the source code!
Yep. It's difficult to compete with a product that's free. However,
I don't drive the direction of my customers. I've moved a few servers
to Linux, but the greatest number of seats (i.e. licensed users) seems
to be blundering in the direction of various Windoze products, which
is anything but free.
>Personally I believe sco.com should remain down to save these cretins
>from further humiliation. Every time Darl Greedy McBride opens his
>mouth it's just another avalanche of utter shit pouring out.
So much for free speech. Personally, I don't agree with either SCO's
actions or logic. There are many good people still employed by SCO
and I suspect many are stuck with my dilemma. How can I defend a
company without also defending its stupid management actions? I don't
have an answer. I've kept my big mouth shut in newsgroups and mailing
lists because any defense of SCO would probably be viewed as a defense
of SCO's point of view. I probably shouldn't have scribbled this
message. However, I take a dim view of warped facts and thought some
comments might be useful.
>To anyone still running SCO software, you have my deepest
>sympathies...
Thank you. I appreciate your concern.
--
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From: to...@aplawrence.com
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Subject: Re: sco.com and caldera.com are down
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Jeff Liebermann <je...@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:
>So much for free speech. Personally, I don't agree with either SCO's
>actions or logic. There are many good people still employed by SCO
>and I suspect many are stuck with my dilemma. How can I defend a
>company without also defending its stupid management actions? I don't
>have an answer. I've kept my big mouth shut in newsgroups and mailing
>lists because any defense of SCO would probably be viewed as a defense
>of SCO's point of view. I probably shouldn't have scribbled this
>message. However, I take a dim view of warped facts and thought some
>comments might be useful.
Your comments were worth writing.
I haven't kept my big mouth shut and never will. In spite of
being very careful to avoid it, most of the Linux dolts have
seen me as defending SCO. That's so stupid that I can't say
any more about it without getting angry and spouting nasties
again.
I have never had much respect for the larger Linux community. They
have always seemed to me to be a bunch of yowling dogs, immature,
filled with religious fervor for their OS, and exhibiting all
the worst characteristics of a mob.
This DOS attack just confirms all of that.
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to...@aplawrence.com wrote in news:bicu94$b73$3...@pcls4.std.com:
> I have never had much respect for the larger Linux community. They
> have always seemed to me to be a bunch of yowling dogs, immature,
> filled with religious fervor for their OS, and exhibiting all
> the worst characteristics of a mob.
>
> This DOS attack just confirms all of that.
Which is painted the "larger Linux community" with that single broad brush.
Nice.
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fLameDogg <flam...@operamail.com> wrote:
>to...@aplawrence.com wrote in news:bicu94$b73$3...@pcls4.std.com:
>> I have never had much respect for the larger Linux community. They
>> have always seemed to me to be a bunch of yowling dogs, immature,
>> filled with religious fervor for their OS, and exhibiting all
>> the worst characteristics of a mob.
>>
>> This DOS attack just confirms all of that.
>Which is painted the "larger Linux community" with that single broad
>brush.
>Nice.
My apologies to the "broader Linux community" that has been spouting
nastygrams about SCO long before there was any indication that the
barbs were deserved.
I will say now that it sure looks like SCO DOES deserve the censure,
but none of them knew that until just recently. Yet many howled
for boycotts etc. in spite of not having any idea whether or not the
claims were legit.
OK, as I said, it sure looks like they are not legit. But being
right for the wrong reason doesn't make me respect 'em any more.
Interesting that I haven't seen a peep in Slashdot about this..
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to...@aplawrence.com wrote:
> My apologies to the "broader Linux community" that has been
> spouting nastygrams about SCO long before there was any
> indication that the barbs were deserved.
What?
Let me get this straight. You are pissed at the Linux people who supported
their community by being in opposition to SCO because they were doing it
without justification?
Let me set you straight Anthony, I knew SCO was full of shit the minute they
refused to identify the offending code in the Linux kernel - I knew it that
very second!
You see, I know something about IP law and lawsuits. The first requirement
of a plaintiff is to mitigate damages by identifying the code that
infringes their rights in order to give the plaintiff full opporunity to
correct the problem. The next step if the plaintiff refuses to stop is to
file a motion for a temporary interlocutory injunction from continued
infringement.
In order for a motion for an temporary interlocutory injunction to succeed,
plaintiff must have a prima facia case - clear ownership of the copyright,
clear case of plaintiff using the copyright material in an unauthorized
manner and proof of damages beyond normal during litigation.
A motion can be filed and heard in less than 30 days and a decision can
generally be heard from the bench in less than a week.
WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR?
I'll tell you what:
(1) The SCO Group does not have clear ownership of the code in System V
as a result of the BSD settlement.
(2) The SCO Group has failed to show a single line of encumbered code
therefore there is no clear case of unauthorised use.
(3) The SCO Group can't show proof of damages because SCO has been a loser
for at least 5 years and has been passed around like a turd from one owner
to another for at least that long - nobody has made money owning SCO except
perhaps the channel.
So, there was no debate in my mind that The SCO Group was Full Of Shit!
> I will say now that it sure looks like SCO DOES deserve the
> censure, but none of them knew that until just recently.
Total Bullshit!
You obviously do not have a clue how the Linux kernel is built and
maintained! It is a firefight from the get-go to get any code included and
it is subject to peer review and pehaps a lot of rewriting.
There are lots of instances of code being rejected because of uncertain
copyright pedigree and some code was actually removed because of
conflicting license terms between the GPL and owner of donated code.
You apparently didn't know this but were willing to piss and moan about the
great unwashed Linux community.
The funny thing is, no mention of this humiliating development has made it
to your SCO/Linux web page. What's up with that?
So Anthony, allow me to point to your behavior and accuse you of being just
another ignorant unwashed SCO fan boy bigot whose ship is sinking. I am
sorry SCO crapped all over your favorite Unix but it has been a sinking
ship for years now.
Linux is on the fast track to taking over your marketshare with a superior
product and a less expensive business model. While it is true many
applications still exist for the SCO brands of Unix, there are still
deployers of DOS applications (our local multiplex theatre runs it's ticket
video kiosks on DOS 6), that is the past.
Perhaps it is time to pull your head out of your ass and deal with it.
One last thought, Slashdot is not the flagship of the Linux community. It is
an open forum where anyone with anything to say has a venue. Now it is true
some of the comments may not come up to your high standards of informed
opinion but as your behavior has illustrated, you are not exactly that well
informed either.
You are in fact attacking others for being as uninformed and pig-ignorant as
you yourself are.
How about that?
Best regards,
Brian
Linux Mystic
open sorcerer