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From: brian <br...@english-bay.com>
Subject: What will happen to OpenServer...
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I was curious to see that SCO claimed a large company had purchased SCO
licences for Linux installations. SCO refused to reveal the name but
claimed it was a Fortune 500 company.
Anybody want to bet it was Microsoft?
Microsoft has already paid SCO a large but undisclosed sum to harass the
open source community, I mean to buy licence rights to a few fragments of
open source Unix code.
Microsoft also claimed to be running a Linux lab in order to understand it's
main competition better.
Microsoft is my guess at the mystery Fortune 500 client for the new Linux
licences - how better to maintain SCO's (meaning Caldera's) venture into
profit for the first time in it's history and funding the FUD campaign
against Linux.
So, what will happen to all of SCO's IP including OpenServer when the house
of cards comes crashing down? SCO doesn't have any significant creditors
(because it has no significant credit). Will it revert back to the majority
owner, The Canopy Group?
Just curious.
Brian
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From: dok...@earthlink.net (Ed Hooper)
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Subject: Re: What will happen to OpenServer...
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Even tough I am a Linux user and do not agree with SCO's current
actions, I do not believe the previous post was appropriate for this
usenet news group.
I will get off my soapbox now. <stumble> <trip> <crash> Ouch!
Edward Hooper
SCO OpenServer 5 and Red Hat Linux (8/9) user...
brian <br...@english-bay.com> wrote in message news:
<vnQ0b.820518$Vi5.18...@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>...
> I was curious to see that SCO claimed a large company had purchased SCO
> licences for Linux installations. SCO refused to reveal the name but
> claimed it was a Fortune 500 company.
>
> Anybody want to bet it was Microsoft?
>
> Microsoft has already paid SCO a large but undisclosed sum to harass the
> open source community, I mean to buy licence rights to a few fragments of
> open source Unix code.
>
> Microsoft also claimed to be running a Linux lab in order to understand it's
> main competition better.
>
> Microsoft is my guess at the mystery Fortune 500 client for the new Linux
> licences - how better to maintain SCO's (meaning Caldera's) venture into
> profit for the first time in it's history and funding the FUD campaign
> against Linux.
>
> So, what will happen to all of SCO's IP including OpenServer when the house
> of cards comes crashing down? SCO doesn't have any significant creditors
> (because it has no significant credit). Will it revert back to the majority
> owner, The Canopy Group?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Brian
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From: brian <br...@english-bay.com>
Subject: Re: What will happen to OpenServer...
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Ed Hooper wrote:
> Even though I am a Linux user and do not agree with SCO's
> current actions, I do not believe the previous post was
> appropriate for this usenet news group.
> I will get off my soapbox now. <stumble> <trip> <crash> Ouch!
Thanks Ed - appreciate the humor.
I tried to find the most apropriate newsgroup to post my thoughts and
inquiries but could not find a sco.discussion group so sco.misc was the
least objectional venue.
I am a Linux user since '95 and now deploy Slackware Linux in both the
server closet and now the desktop - my customers read some of the stuff
being put out by SCO and it causes them concern, which they wish to share
with me.
Considering the fraud and extortion being perpetrated by The SCO Group
against my clients and me, I think it only fair that I be allowed to share.
The SCO Group is doing everything it can to create an atmosphere of Fear
Uncertainty and Doubt concening Linux and the open source community.
The SCO Group has become a culture of thieves, liars and extortionists.
Their arguments against the GPL are so much fluff and gossimer, the
"smoking gun' is nothing of the sort. As a matter of fact, some of the code
they showed at the SCO Forum has been appropriated by SCO and striped of
it's legitimate copyright notices - they aren't even the legitimate owners!
Now I know that most of the individuals in this NG are not employees of The
SCO Group but you as a group do have influence.
I have already succeeded in moving two clients off SCO networked accounting
systems and I am encouraging all my associates to do likewise - how else
are we to fight this calculated and directed attack against our beliefs and
livelyhood.
It is true there may be more important issues over the horizon but quite
frankly this problem is immediate, front & center - The SCO Group is
attacking the GPL, Linux and the entire open source community with
falsified 'evidence' and bogus legal theories. As a direct result of it's
actions, The SCO Group will very likely succumb to massive legal and
financial pressure, it can only sell it's IP to Microsoft so often before
Microsoft will bend them over like they have done with every other
undesireable partner. Can you say 'Corel'?
So unless you guys have the sourcecode to SCO's beknighted Unix and
permission to distribute it, just what are you guys gonna do when it all
comes crashing down?
Brian
Network Services
Vancouver, Canada
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Subject: Re: What will happen to OpenServer...
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brian <br...@english-bay.com> wrote:
>So unless you guys have the sourcecode to SCO's beknighted Unix and
>permission to distribute it, just what are you guys gonna do when it all
>comes crashing down?
Well, some (most?) of us have been expecting SCO to go belly up for
years, so have developed other revenue streams.
But even if the company does fold, SOMEBODY will buy up the dregs,
because there is just too much revenue opportunity from upgrades
and, believe it or not, new sales, to throw away.
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From: Scott <scott@tiktok.demon.c.u.o.t.s.a>
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Subject: Re: What will happen to OpenServer...
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 01:15:17 +0000 (UTC), to...@aplawrence.com wrote:
>brian <br...@english-bay.com> wrote:
>>So unless you guys have the sourcecode to SCO's beknighted Unix and
>>permission to distribute it, just what are you guys gonna do when it all
>>comes crashing down?
>
>Well, some (most?) of us have been expecting SCO to go belly up for
>years, so have developed other revenue streams.
>
>But even if the company does fold, SOMEBODY will buy up the dregs,
>because there is just too much revenue opportunity from upgrades
>and, believe it or not, new sales, to throw away.
I'm interested in this; why would anyone actually want to buy any SCO
products or upgrades any more? Isn't it a dead end? From my own
experience, their software is extremely outdated now, relying upon
GPL'ed products to provide much of the functionality. It's also
extremely expensive compared to the alternatives (which more than
match its performance and stability).
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Scott wrote:
> to...@aplawrence.com wrote:
>>But even if the company does fold, SOMEBODY will buy up the dregs,
>>because there is just too much revenue opportunity from upgrades
>>and, believe it or not, new sales, to throw away.
> I'm interested in this; why would anyone actually want to buy any
> SCO products or upgrades any more? Isn't it a dead end? From my
> own experience, their software is extremely outdated now, relying
> upon GPL'ed products to provide much of the functionality. It's
> also extremely expensive compared to the alternatives (which more
> than match its performance and stability).
In moving my clients away from SCO, the great difficulty was legacy
accounting/POS applications. The supplier of one custom POS system were
already experimenting with Linux so that won't be a problem. The other
account had a considerable investment in a customized accounting system - I
managed to move them over to a different accounting system made by ACCPAC
on Linux.
The big problem is, nobody loves change. It is difficult to explain to a
client that their Unix supplier has gone mustang and is now perpetuating a
scam that will result in the dissolution of the company in short order. It
is a lot of explaining and in the end the client either trusts you or they
don't.
In the end, Linux is a far superior platform for growth, support and
economy. I can't imagine anyone developing new projects for SCO Unix and
many legacy products are probably being fast-tracked over to either Linux
or FreeBSD.
As for SCO being DoSed - I think whoever is doing it should stop
immediately. You have made your point but you are now only fueling Darl &
Chris' pissing and moaning about the evil Linux hacker community. These
guys are talking themselves into insolvency and unemployment - they are the
Pariah of the IT community and will never get a job running a Radio Shack
after this fiasco.
Brian