Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu! headwall.stanford.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz! out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net! residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Brian" <br...@subdude.com> Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.slackware Subject: The Artist in You... Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: <IWga8.19912$Cg5.1109472@news1.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:46:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.69.255.206 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1013553960 24.69.255.206 (Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:46:00 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:46:00 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.os.linux.slackware:28518 Hello Fellow Slackers: I have an idea that may appeal to the artist in you. I would like to have a graphic illustrating a slightly crumpled cigarette package branded "Microsoft Windows" with a few cigarettes poking out of the end. Lots of warnings and messages can be included on the package but nothing too "over the top" - things like "Microsoft Windows can cause death to innovation". The headline would read "Just Another Dirty Habit" or something to that effect. I am replacing Windows 95/98 desktops (security/stability issues) with Linux/KDE and my biggest problem is personnel Microsoft Windows Momentum. I would love to have such a graphic that could be dropped into a desktop background - both Windows and KDE... 8^) If you have or know of such a graphic, please email it to me. If you are an artist and would like to take a swing at this for fun - please keep me apprised. Thanks everyone. And if somebody reads this and is offended that this isn't a specific Slackware issue and feels compelled to complain and flame me, grab your testicles with both hands and twist & pull with all you might. It turns out I think Linux users are for the most part very creative and Slackware is my distro of choice. 8^) Best regards, Brian
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu! news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsgate.netvigator.com! imsp212.netvigator.com!not-for-mail From: Iain Patterson <ne...@iain.cx> Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.slackware Subject: Re: The Artist in You... Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:40:24 +0800 Organization: IMS Netvigator Lines: 22 Message-ID: <20020213104024.4a2e9de9.news@iain.cx> References: <IWga8.19912$Cg5.1109472@news1.calgary.shaw.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcd294089.netvigator.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Sylpheed version 0.7.0claws10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; z80-sinclair-spectrum) Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.os.linux.slackware:28550 Quoth Brian, > I would like to have a graphic illustrating a slightly crumpled cigarette > package branded "Microsoft Windows" with a few cigarettes poking out of the > end. > The headline would read "Just Another Dirty Habit" or something to that > effect. Why do people insist on promoting Linux as "not Windows" and constantly drawing attention to Microsoft's deficiencies? I hate Windows, truly hate it. Even so I'd much rather see people say "Use Linux because it has XYZ great features and is blah blah blah" rather than "Use Linux because Microsoft are evil and Windows sucks." And then they spend huge amounts of time trying to come up with exact clones of Windows software. Think KDE, Evolution or just grep for /is a (clone|(re)?implementation|port) of (the)? .* (package)? for Windows/ on freshmeat. This just makes OSS developers and users look like hypocritical whiners. Surely your artists' time would be better spent creating a positive image for Slackware than a negative image for Windows.
Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu! bloom-beacon.mit.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!out.nntp.be! propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net! residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Brian" <br...@subdude.com> Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.slackware References: <IWga8.19912$Cg5.1109472@news1.calgary.shaw.ca> <20020213104024.4a2e9de9.news@iain.cx> Subject: Re: The Artist in You... Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: <VGla8.24884$Cg5.1276062@news1.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 04:10:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.69.255.206 X-Complaints-To: ab...@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1013573429 24.69.255.206 (Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:10:29 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:10:29 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.os.linux.slackware:28554 Hey Iain: "Iain Patterson" wrote... > Quoth Brian, > > I would like to have a graphic illustrating a slightly crumpled > > cigarette package branded "Microsoft Windows" with a few > > cigarettes poking out of the end. The headline would read > > "Just Another Dirty Habit" or something to that effect. > Why do people insist on promoting Linux as "not Windows" > and constantly drawing attention to Microsoft's deficiencies? > I hate Windows, truly hate it. Even so I'd much rather see people > say "Use Linux because it has XYZ great features and is blah > blah blah" rather than "Use Linux because Microsoft are evil > and Windows sucks." > And then they spend huge amounts of time trying to come up > with exact clones of Windows software. Think KDE, Evolution > or just grep for /is a (clone|(re)?implementation|port) of (the)? . > * (package)? for Windows/ on freshmeat. In a perfect world ruled by reason and rational thought your suggestion would be appropriate and the recommended course of action. The world I work in is populated with bitchy Microsoft Windows users (98%) who hate anything different, ANYTHING AT ALL! The first time I installed a Linux desktop for a client, the employee went on strike until Windows was re-installed. It had nothing to do with the utility, security, stability and beauty of Linux or Windows - it totally had to do with the employee hating something that was different. In the end, the employee paid out of her own pocket to have Windows re-installed on her desktop. I have since installed over 100 commercial Linux desktops and it is always a struggle for mindshare. It is now a little easier to insiuate a Linux desktop in place of Windows but anything I can do to help gain mindshare is helpful. > This just makes OSS developers and users look like > hypocritical whiners. Mindshare. Mindshare. Mindshare. Mindshare. Mindshare. Mindshare. Mindshare. > Surely your artists' time would be better spent creating > a positive image for Slackware than a negative image for > Windows. The fact is, there is very little to motivate most individual Windows users to change to Linux. Individual users are willing to spend their time or their friend's time to keep Windows humming along. Even some power users are satisfied with Windows and little can be said to change their mind. Linux is finding it's way onto business desktops only because of perceived security, stability, ease of administration and sticker cost. Linux isn't the problem - it is the "change" part that people dislike. 8^) Best regards, Brian