From: "Adrian L" <n...@no.com> Subject: Windows XP Provides the Ultimate Digital Photo Experience Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:38:03 -0400 Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: <ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion, microsoft.public.windowsxp.beta.general NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.183.140.67 Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de! t-online.de!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp05 Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion: 25532 microsoft.public.windowsxp.beta.general:21590 http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-6725967-0.html?tag=ltnc
From: "Chris Ashworth" <chris.a...@targetfour.com> References: <ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05> <eXph0icGBHA.1756@tkmsftngp04> Subject: Re: Windows XP Provides the Ultimate Digital Photo Experience Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:10:48 +0100 Lines: 20 Organization: TargetFour X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: <#fc8QqcGBHA.1120@tkmsftngp07> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion, microsoft.public.windowsxp.beta.general NNTP-Posting-Host: proxy.targetfour.com 193.128.227.228 Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de! t-online.de!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp07 Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion: 25534 microsoft.public.windowsxp.beta.general:21604 you don't need XP? why are you on the XP beta NGs?? =) j/k btw, I don't want to start a flame war... "moosensquirrel" <moosensquirrel@not.here.zzz> wrote in message news:eXph0icGBHA.1756@tkmsftngp04... Let's see, I plug my digital camera into my Win ME or Win2k puter and it already does everything XP brags about. I don't get it!! Or to put it more plainly, 'I don't need XP, do you?' "Adrian L" <n...@no.com> wrote in message news:ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05... http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-6725967-0.html?tag=l tnc
From: "JAS" <nob...@nowhere.com> References: <ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05> <eXph0icGBHA.1756@tkmsftngp04> Subject: Re: Windows XP Provides the Ultimate Digital Photo Experience Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:56:46 -0400 Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2505.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 Message-ID: <uA1oHEdGBHA.1836@tkmsftngp03> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion, microsoft.public.windowsxp.beta.general NNTP-Posting-Host: plane-65-33-225-35.pompano.net 65.33.225.35 Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! news.tele.dk!193.190.198.17!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be! newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp03 Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion: 25540 microsoft.public.windowsxp.beta.general:21627 You say "I don't get it!!" Well, I do get it!!! It is not just a matter of doing it, but doing it better, easier, and having vast industry support; so that my options or choices are many!!! "moosensquirrel" <moosensquirrel@not.here.zzz> wrote in message news:eXph0icGBHA.1756@tkmsftngp04... Let's see, I plug my digital camera into my Win ME or Win2k puter and it already does everything XP brags about. I don't get it!! Or to put it more plainly, 'I don't need XP, do you?' "Adrian L" <n...@no.com> wrote in message news:ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05... http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-6725967-0.html?tag=l tnc
Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com! news2.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Brian" <sub...@post.com> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion References: <ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05> <eXph0icGBHA.1756@tkmsftngp04> <uA1oHEdGBHA.1836@tkmsftngp03> Subject: Re: Windows XP Provides the Ultimate Digital Photo Experience Lines: 89 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <8MH97.10642$2J4.3546851@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 00:08:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.77.116 X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.bc.home.com 996624516 24.68.77.116 (Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:08:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:08:36 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion:25582 Hi JAS: "JAS" wrote... > You say "I don't get it!!" Well, I do get it!!! It is not just a > matter of doing it, but doing it better, easier, and having > vast industry support; so that my options or choices are > many!!! Microsoft has nothing to do with choice. I have been taking digital photographs for 4 years now and recently experienced a Microsoft Windows meltdown (not my first) - kept reloading multiple copies of installed hardware devices until nothing worked. Eventually corrupted filesystem during attempted repair and everything was lost including 4 years of JPGs of my daughter growing up. There is a happy ending. I have an old AMD5x86 133MHz 32MByte Linux router that also provides many services, one of which is doing 4 stage backups of ALL my data files - this includes mail, IE favorites, Windows desktop, menus, docs, JPGs and MP3s. I was able to restore Windows 98se, do all the updates online, restore all my data files and be up and running in less than 6 hours. I usually re-install Windows a couple times a year because the installation becomes fatigued.. Compare that to the aging AMD5x86 which has been running continuously for the last five years with perhaps less than a hour downtime TOTAL. I updated the operating system in '99 (that required two reboots) and the kernel in 2000 (a single reboot) and added a large HD this year (about 15 minutes down time) and there have been a few power failures (breaker problems actually). What other services does it provide, you ask? Well, it runs as a masquerade (sort of like NAT) firewall gateway router, Bind DNS, Apache web server (I laugh at the Code Red virus), ftp services, sendmail MTA, file & backup services, ssh (secure shell) and more - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year + leap years! One of the things I do is build these 'Net appliance boxes for clients who have hardware insufficient to run Microsoft's desktop or network services applications. When a client needs a firewall/gateway I install a small Linux package, less than 80 megs, and am able to get it running in a couple hours. Add the price of a couple PCI NICs and a small hub/switch and you can run up to 254 desktops including average mail with a Pentium 90/32meg through a T2 without breaking a sweat (perhaps 25% CPU utility). Don't try this at home kids with Windows NT4/2000/XP - it will cost $1000s of dollars for the software licences and won't run on the aforesaid P90/32meg box! Oh, as a sidebar, one of the first thiings I do with these old machines after a thorough test of the hardware is to disconnect the on/off switch and reset switch - it prevents onsite Windows administrators from administrating the Linux box. 8^) It is always a happy surprise when I tell clients how much they will have to pay for their new Linux software licences ($0 down and $0 per year per seat). Some haven't believed me and thought I was running a pirated software scam until I showed them the facts online at numerous Linux websites. Now That's Entertainment! I am able to administer these machines remotely and install upgrades and patches without rebooting. Since I don't have to be onsite, costs for routine updates, configuration and administration are greatly reduced to the client and a major savings of my time. The thing that I find most amusing is that despite the fact that I am known for my Linux networking services business, I actually spend more time working on client's Windows desktop machines (this always involves an away mission which is very expensive) or the box has to be transported to my site (also an expensive proposition in time and money). I don't work on Microsoft IIS equipped boxes in any form (except when replacing Microsoft Licenced software with Linux). Microsoft's network mission statement; "You're not just paying more, you are also getting less!" Microsoft is constantly re-engineering it's licencing policies to draw even more water from the well. or "A backdoor in every server!" The Code Red virus only runs on flawed Microsoft technology. Best regards, Brian (the other Brian - the one that knows Linux/Unix/*BSD)
From: "Slip Jigs" <lonwi...@msn.com> References: <ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05> <eXph0icGBHA.1756@tkmsftngp04> <uA1oHEdGBHA.1836@tkmsftngp03> <8MH97.10642$2J4.3546851@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com> Subject: Re: Windows XP Provides the Ultimate Digital Photo Experience Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:46:07 -0400 Lines: 113 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <ugemHLiGBHA.436@tkmsftngp05> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust79.tnt1.warren.mi.da.uu.net 63.57.177.79 Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02! supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu! newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp05 Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion:25585 Better watch it! You may end up like the guy who invented an engine that runs on water.!! "Brian" <sub...@post.com> wrote in message news:8MH97.10642$2J4.3546851@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com... > Hi JAS: > > "JAS" wrote... > > You say "I don't get it!!" Well, I do get it!!! It is not just a > > matter of doing it, but doing it better, easier, and having > > vast industry support; so that my options or choices are > > many!!! > > Microsoft has nothing to do with choice. > > I have been taking digital photographs for 4 years now and recently > experienced a Microsoft Windows meltdown (not my first) - kept reloading > multiple copies of installed hardware devices until nothing worked. > Eventually corrupted filesystem during attempted repair and everything was > lost including 4 years of JPGs of my daughter growing up. > > There is a happy ending. I have an old AMD5x86 133MHz 32MByte Linux router > that also provides many services, one of which is doing 4 stage backups of > ALL my data files - this includes mail, IE favorites, Windows desktop, > menus, docs, JPGs and MP3s. I was able to restore Windows 98se, do all the > updates online, restore all my data files and be up and running in less than > 6 hours. I usually re-install Windows a couple times a year because the > installation becomes fatigued.. > > Compare that to the aging AMD5x86 which has been running continuously for > the last five years with perhaps less than a hour downtime TOTAL. I updated > the operating system in '99 (that required two reboots) and the kernel in > 2000 (a single reboot) and added a large HD this year (about 15 minutes down > time) and there have been a few power failures (breaker problems actually). > > What other services does it provide, you ask? Well, it runs as a masquerade > (sort of like NAT) firewall gateway router, Bind DNS, Apache web server (I > laugh at the Code Red virus), ftp services, sendmail MTA, file & backup > services, ssh (secure shell) and more - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 > weeks a year + leap years! > > One of the things I do is build these 'Net appliance boxes for clients who > have hardware insufficient to run Microsoft's desktop or network services > applications. When a client needs a firewall/gateway I install a small Linux > package, less than 80 megs, and am able to get it running in a couple hours. > Add the price of a couple PCI NICs and a small hub/switch and you can run up > to 254 desktops including average mail with a Pentium 90/32meg through a T2 > without breaking a sweat (perhaps 25% CPU utility). Don't try this at home > kids with Windows NT4/2000/XP - it will cost $1000s of dollars for the > software licences and won't run on the aforesaid P90/32meg box! Oh, as a > sidebar, one of the first thiings I do with these old machines after a > thorough test of the hardware is to disconnect the on/off switch and reset > switch - it prevents onsite Windows administrators from administrating the > Linux box. 8^) > > It is always a happy surprise when I tell clients how much they will have to > pay for their new Linux software licences ($0 down and $0 per year per > seat). Some haven't believed me and thought I was running a pirated software > scam until I showed them the facts online at numerous Linux websites. Now > That's Entertainment! > > I am able to administer these machines remotely and install upgrades and > patches without rebooting. Since I don't have to be onsite, costs for > routine updates, configuration and administration are greatly reduced to the > client and a major savings of my time. > > The thing that I find most amusing is that despite the fact that I am known > for my Linux networking services business, I actually spend more time > working on client's Windows desktop machines (this always involves an away > mission which is very expensive) or the box has to be transported to my site > (also an expensive proposition in time and money). I don't work on Microsoft > IIS equipped boxes in any form (except when replacing Microsoft Licenced > software with Linux). > > Microsoft's network mission statement; > > "You're not just paying more, you are also getting less!" > > Microsoft is constantly re-engineering it's licencing policies to draw even > more water from the well. > > or > > "A backdoor in every server!" > > The Code Red virus only runs on flawed Microsoft technology. > > Best regards, > > Brian > (the other Brian - the one that knows Linux/Unix/*BSD) > > >
From: "val" <n...@thisdot.com> References: <ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05> Subject: Re: Not according to Kodak Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:55:59 -0400 Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <e4aqAWjGBHA.1508@tkmsftngp03> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion NNTP-Posting-Host: alb-66-66-204-235.nycap.rr.com 66.66.204.235 Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! isdnet!proxad.net!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net! newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp03 Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion:25598 Ah, a new SIT (shill in training) what a wonderful sight. Interesting that your subject line was, shall we say in a charitable way, something less then original? Interesting too, that the spin you linked to included a reference to "eastman kodak" in the "Industry leaders participating today in the showcase of digital photography solutions around Windows XP....." Perhaps you are unaware, but at least one of those "industry leaders participating....." is a small little start up company from Rochester, NY - still just getting their feet wet in the photography field. <g> Kodak is (quite unlike the spin offered in the link you proffered) not quite "on board" or "participating" in the sense your referenced link would lead "folx" to believe. (but of course that is exactly the point of "spin" and "shilling" is it not? so, as a SIT you deserve a big "attaboy". Shill as you will that's certainly your prerogative. For you own sake I implore you to at least keep an open mind and consider alternative points of view. Hopefully this link will give you that opportunity. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6734560.html?tag=lthd v "Adrian L" <n...@no.com> wrote in message news:ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05... > http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-6725967-0.html?tag=l tnc > > >
Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com! news2.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Brian" <sub...@post.com> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion References: <ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05> <eXph0icGBHA.1756@tkmsftngp04> <uA1oHEdGBHA.1836@tkmsftngp03> <8MH97.10642$2J4.3546851@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com> <ugemHLiGBHA.436@tkmsftngp05> Subject: Re: Windows XP Provides the Ultimate Digital Photo Experience Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <KaO97.12425$2J4.4055709@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:26:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.77.116 X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.bc.home.com 996650794 24.68.77.116 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 00:26:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 00:26:34 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion:25619 Hey Slip: "Slip Jigs" wrote... > Better watch it! You may end up like the guy who invented > an engine that runs on water.!! I am not alone. A number of my friends are sys admins who routinely run Linux network services in place of Microsoft products. It is just so economical and when the BAS sends it's threatening letter about licencing, all that has to be checked is the desktop stuff. A couple of BOFH sys admins I know are starting to move some desktops into Linux when all that is required is word processing, email, data entry etc. Each Linux KDE desktop requires more time to setup but requires much less time to maintain and administer. I have talked with a client who may be interested in trying to convert a few desktops over to Linux. It's not so much the initial licence fee as the cost of upgrades and maintenance that makes Linux viable for the business desktop. I recently installed a four line Linux FAX server for twenty busy desktops. Creating the exact same functionality with Microsoft and proprietary NT4 software was priced out at ~$2800 by a local MCSE. I was able to actually bring it in for less than $680 using Linux, existing hardware and some eBay SatisFAXtion 400e fax/modems - no monitor, video card, keyboard, all admin is done by ssh. I have installed these in the past and they require zero maintenance - just like the Energizer Bunny! To know how much I made for less than five hours work subtract what it cost for the Intel modems ($78.00). No maintenace contract, no reoccurring licence fees and no MCSE. The home desktop is still owned by Microsoft because of it's umbiquitous support for all the odd software - most business installations don't need to be able to play Starcraft or Diablo II. Almost all businesses I am working with don't plan to move from the 98se/2K desktop because of the changing licencing schemes Microsoft has developed. It is interesting to note that most of the owner/managers still want the latest and greatest from Microsoft for themselves despite what it may cost - this may change when they take it home and it goes dead after 30 days (thanks Microsoft). Best regards, Brian
From: "Adrian L" <n...@no.com> References: <ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05> <e4aqAWjGBHA.1508@tkmsftngp03> Subject: Re: Not according to Kodak Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:46:50 -0400 Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: <#nFLnBpGBHA.1252@tkmsftngp03> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.183.140.67 Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! news.tele.dk!151.189.0.75!newsfeed.germany.net!newscore.gigabell.net! newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp03 Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion:25641 > Hopefully this link will give you that opportunity. > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6734560.html?tag=lthd No, this link only proved that MS's competitors are just a bunch of liars and deceivers.
Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com! news2.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Brian" <sub...@post.com> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion References: <ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05> <e4aqAWjGBHA.1508@tkmsftngp03> <#nFLnBpGBHA.1252@tkmsftngp03> Subject: Re: Not according to Kodak Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <Zg_97.13497$2J4.4586196@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:12:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.77.116 X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.bc.home.com 996700345 24.68.77.116 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:12:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:12:25 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion:25678 Adrian: "Adrian L" wrote... > > Hopefully this link will give you that opportunity. > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6734560.html?tag=lthd > No, this link only proved that MS's competitors are just a bunch of > liars and deceivers. Oh really? Since when is Kodak a competitor of Microsoft? Also, it has been my extensive experience, supported by numerous court descisions, that it's Microsoft that is the liar and deceiver. Microsoft has pulled this crap before and they are doing it again. Perhaps you should reconsider your rash statement, Adrian. As a sidebar to Sandi; Here is an excellent example of a product by a major developer, Kodak, being deliberately sabotaged by Microsoft. Best regards, Brian (the other Brian)
From: "Paul Britton" <PaulBr...@msn.com> References: <ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05> <e4aqAWjGBHA.1508@tkmsftngp03> <#nFLnBpGBHA.1252@tkmsftngp03> <Zg_97.13497$2J4.4586196@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com> Subject: Re: Not according to Kodak Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:56:55 -0700 Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2526.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2526.0000 Message-ID: <OrSDiTtGBHA.1816@tkmsftngp03> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion NNTP-Posting-Host: lsanca1-ar2-008-011.lsanca1.dsl.gtei.net 4.33.8.11 Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! news.tele.dk!193.174.75.178!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de! newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp03 Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion:25692 Hello Brian (the other Brian), Hook, line, and sinker. You accept Kodak's word as if they don't have a stake in pressuring Microsoft to put Kodak's software ahead of their own and their competitors (like Fuji). Kodak's word rings very hollow when you match it up with that from the good folx at Fuji Film. Paul "Brian" <sub...@post.com> wrote in message news:Zg_97.13497$2J4.4586196@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com... > As a sidebar to Sandi; Here is an excellent example of a product by a major > developer, Kodak, being deliberately sabotaged by Microsoft.
Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com! news2.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Brian" <sub...@post.com> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion References: <ONFpCYcGBHA.1668@tkmsftngp05> <e4aqAWjGBHA.1508@tkmsftngp03> <#nFLnBpGBHA.1252@tkmsftngp03> <Zg_97.13497$2J4.4586196@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com> <OrSDiTtGBHA.1816@tkmsftngp03> Subject: Re: Not according to Kodak Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <KO1a7.13785$2J4.4793526@news2.rdc1.bc.home.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:13:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.77.116 X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.bc.home.com 996714794 24.68.77.116 (Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:13:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:13:14 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion:25746 Hi Paul: "Paul Britton" wrote... > Hook, line, and sinker. You accept Kodak's word as if > they don't have a stake in pressuring Microsoft to put Kodak's > software ahead of their own and their competitors (like Fuji). > Kodak's word rings very hollow when you match it up with > that from the good folx at Fuji Film. Microsoft has been doing this sort of thing for over a decade in my personal experience and I have been in the desktop computer business for over 25 years. And yes, I do believe Kodak. Kodak is an excellent company with over a hundred and ten years of straight dealing with the consuming public and it's competitors. Microsoft has been found guilty of being a predatory monopolist who is using it's dominant position on the desktop to suppress competition in every venue it enters. "STAC v Microsoft" "DrDOS v Microsoft" "United States v Microsoft - 1995" "United States v Microsoft - 1997" Microsoft is now scrambling to secure as many new sources of cash flow to replace the loss of double digit growth in the hardware business. Here is a thought for all Microsoft's new partners; "When you starve with a tiger, the tiger starves last." So Paul, it is my belief you have bought the Microsoft spin, hook, line, sinker and copy of Angler's Journal. Best regards, Brian (the other Brian)