From: "Rea Burleson (GE)" <burl...@eng.usf.edu>
Subject: linux on CD rom?
Date: 1995/10/03
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I am planning on purchasing the linux system on cd rom and I was
wondering if anyone has any input on how difficult it was to install.
From: j...@subzero.winternet.com (J. Otto Tennant)
Subject: Re: linux on CD rom?
Date: 1995/10/07
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"Rea Burleson (GE)" <burl...@eng.usf.edu> writes:
>I am planning on purchasing the linux system on cd rom and I was
>wondering if anyone has any input on how difficult it was to install.
Well, briefly, it is hell on wheels.
Of course, it depends somewhat on what you want.
CD-ROM distributions are cheap; I have several. Your post gives me
an excuse to review the ones I have.
I have been trying to use a slightly non-standard system. It is
a Gateway 2000 Pentium. The non-standard part is the Sanyo 3-CD
CD-ROM changer. My hope was that, if I only cared about one of
the three slots, it would be an ATAPI drive.
To the review:
Trans-Ameritech Systems: This was the first I tried. It installs
cleanly and simply on top of your existing MS-DOS system, using the
umsdos file system. I have no serious complaint about it, except
that the kernel it installs does not support PPP --- which is why
I am playing this game. It comes with the slackware distribution,
which fails to recognize the Sanyo 3-CD CD-ROM changer.
Linux Universe, AKA "The Complete Linux Kit" by Strobel and Uhl.
This is the best of the bunch, once you accept that you have to
repartition. It doesn't support PPP, but I was able to snarf a
kernel off of the Q part of slackware which did. There was a
whole day when I had a system which did all that I wanted. It
has a lot of nice utilities and a very pleasant X-Windows.
I'm not quite certain what I did wrong, but the PPP stuff stopped
working. And now, when I try to reinstall, I find that the
CD-ROM is unreadable. Maybe isopropyl alcohol will help.
Yggdrasil Plug and Play: I'm really annoyed by this. The system
is easy to install, well documented, easy to use. (It seems to
have difficulty installing over an existing Linux system, as it
mounts the partition read-only; this is a feature to protect
idiots such as I, but I don't like idiot-proof systems.)
The default kernel does not support PPP; my annoyance arises because
it seems to refuse to support PPP even after I have recompiled
the kernel.
CONCLUSION: Any of the CD-ROM distributions will give you a
working Linux system. They are all fairly easy to use; the
differences among them are mostly cosmetic. It is _really_
neat to have GNU Emacs 19.29 working on a PC.
On the other hand, I _want_ PPP, and I'm writing this with
something called "minicom".
Thanks for giving me an opportunity to rant.
--
J.Otto Tennant j...@winternet.com
4156 Meadowlark Way, Eagan, MN 55122-1779 +1-612-688-7786
Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit
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From: brian_t...@mindlink.bc.ca (Brian Thurston)
Subject: Re: linux on CD rom?
Date: 1995/10/07
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j...@subzero.winternet.com (J. Otto Tennant) wrote:
>"Rea Burleson (GE)" <burl...@eng.usf.edu> writes:
>>I am planning on purchasing the linux system on cd rom and I was
>>wondering if anyone has any input on how difficult it was to install.
>Well, briefly, it is hell on wheels.
>Of course, it depends somewhat on what you want.
>CD-ROM distributions are cheap; I have several. Your post gives me
>an excuse to review the ones I have.
>I have been trying to use a slightly non-standard system. It is
>a Gateway 2000 Pentium. The non-standard part is the Sanyo 3-CD
>CD-ROM changer. My hope was that, if I only cared about one of
>the three slots, it would be an ATAPI drive.
>To the review:
>Trans-Ameritech Systems: This was the first I tried. It installs
>cleanly and simply on top of your existing MS-DOS system, using the
>umsdos file system. I have no serious complaint about it, except
>that the kernel it installs does not support PPP --- which is why
>I am playing this game. It comes with the slackware distribution,
>which fails to recognize the Sanyo 3-CD CD-ROM changer.
>Linux Universe, AKA "The Complete Linux Kit" by Strobel and Uhl.
>This is the best of the bunch, once you accept that you have to
>repartition. It doesn't support PPP, but I was able to snarf a
>kernel off of the Q part of slackware which did. There was a
>whole day when I had a system which did all that I wanted. It
>has a lot of nice utilities and a very pleasant X-Windows.
>I'm not quite certain what I did wrong, but the PPP stuff stopped
>working. And now, when I try to reinstall, I find that the
>CD-ROM is unreadable. Maybe isopropyl alcohol will help.
>Yggdrasil Plug and Play: I'm really annoyed by this. The system
>is easy to install, well documented, easy to use. (It seems to
>have difficulty installing over an existing Linux system, as it
>mounts the partition read-only; this is a feature to protect
>idiots such as I, but I don't like idiot-proof systems.)
>The default kernel does not support PPP; my annoyance arises because
>it seems to refuse to support PPP even after I have recompiled
>the kernel.
>CONCLUSION: Any of the CD-ROM distributions will give you a
>working Linux system. They are all fairly easy to use; the
>differences among them are mostly cosmetic. It is _really_
>neat to have GNU Emacs 19.29 working on a PC.
>On the other hand, I _want_ PPP, and I'm writing this with
>something called "minicom".
>Thanks for giving me an opportunity to rant.
>--
>J.Otto Tennant j...@winternet.com
>4156 Meadowlark Way, Eagan, MN 55122-1779 +1-612-688-7786
> Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit
>--
Thank you Mr. Tennant:
This is exactly the kind of information a newbie (to Linux) such as
myself subscribes to a newsgroup.
I am looking for information - positive/negative/whatever about the
many books on the market that include CD ROM(s) about Linux.
Anybody have anything to contribute - I can hardly wait to load
something onto my old but dear 386DX33MHz 8Mbyte backup box.
I look forward to your sage ruminations.
Regards,
Brian,
Vancouver, British Columbia
Canada, Earth, Sol
"mostly harmless"
From: brian_t...@mindlink.bc.ca (Brian Thurston)
Subject: Re: linux on CD rom?
Date: 1995/10/13
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Hi Peter:
pwm...@conch.aa.msen.com (Peter W. Meek) wrote:
>Brian Thurston (brian_t...@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote:
><cut Tennants reply>
>: Thank you Mr. Tennant:
>: This is exactly the kind of information a newbie (to Linux) such as
>: myself subscribes to a newsgroup.
>: I am looking for information - positive/negative/whatever about the
>: many books on the market that include CD ROM(s) about Linux.
>: Anybody have anything to contribute - I can hardly wait to load
>: something onto my old but dear 386DX33MHz 8Mbyte backup box.
>Maybe this will help since it covers recent experience of another
>newbie. I got the InfoMagic Developers Resource (4-cd) which
>was packaged with Matt Welsh's _Linux_Installation_&_Getting_
>_Started_. I also bought Welsh's _Running_Linux_ and Kirch's
>_Linux_Network_Administrators_Guide_. (Note: much of this
>duplicates information available online or even on the CDROM.)
>I was able to install the Slackware 1.2.8 release (one of
>several on the CD including Slakware/ELF and RedHat) on my old
>386dx16 10Meg in a dedicated weekend of work, starting with
>no UN*X experience whatsoever beyond having a shell account for
>a year. In the week following I spent about 75 hours reading
>and fixed up some minor problems like LILO wouldn't boot
>from the HD (add "linear" to the global section). I still
>need to find out why it isn't "joining" my existing W95
>Ethernet network, but the system itself is running fine.
>With all the included documentation (on CD and printed),
>I think it makes a pretty good first-timer's choice.
>With what I've learned, I think I could now go out
>and get a more suitable computer (faster/more memory)
>and go through the installation fairly quickly.
>Next step -- learn to compile kernel, so as to
>get rid of the parts I don't need, and be sure
>I have all the parts I DO need.
>--
> --Pete <pwm...@mail.msen.com> http://www.msen.com/~pwmeek/
>"...a fellow widely considered a half bubble off plumb
> gets out of much tedious explanation."
> [William Least Heat Moon in _PrairyErth_]
Sounds like heaven.
I have an old 386DX33 (+387) - 8mB - 540mB HD - ATImach32 - you get
the idea.
She was my number 1 but hasn't bee doing much lately. Needs a change.
Thanks for the info.
Regards,
Brian,
Vancouver, British Columbia
Canada, Earth, Sol
"mostly harmless"